Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
If he knows all that, and can move his arm very fast, explain to me how that doesn't equate to his arm movement being faster? There are other things required to punch that can increase power and torque... Torso, Legs and shoulders. However, the majority of what goes into punch speed is arm movement. Those other factors are more for power, technique and being in the correct position with your feet and body to counter. Are you actually claiming other things besides how fast you can move your arm; determine how fast you can punch more than arm movement? Is that actually your claim?

You obviously know next to nothing about how to throw a proper punch. Simple arm movement, meaning moving my arm from point A to point B utilizes arm muscles. A proper punch will utilize muscles from your entire body, from your legs to your torso to your core to your arms. In fact, the arm muscles do very little during a proper punch. It's the leg and back muscles that do most of the work. If you do it right, you propel your arm forward with your body, you don't just extend or move your arm.

Utilizing arm muscles for a punch makes the punch weak and will tire you too fast.

All this is fact. Ask any professional fighter or trainer and they'll tell you the same thing.

Now that we've established that a proper punch has very little to do with simple arm movement, we can therefore conclude that there is no proof that Ozy can punch fast since he never showed such speed. Using "arm speed" to translate to "punching speed" is a false conclusion.

So when you say "Ozy has faster hand speed", what exactly do you mean? If you mean catching speed, sure I'll give you that. If you mean punching speed, then Bucky clearly wins that discussion.

Please let this reach 100 pages

Originally posted by FrothByte
You obviously know next to nothing about how to throw a proper punch.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, the difference is OZY MOVED HIS FING ARM THAT FAST ON SCREEN. PERIOD. WS NEVER WAS SHOWN MOVING HIS ARM THAT FAST DOING ANYTHING. NOTHING. So no, you can't do that. I can, because I have proof of him moving his arm at fast speeds. You have nothing on that level. Are you lacking common sense or something? One is based on a real feat showing him moving that fast. You're claiming, well he wasn't shown moving that fast doing anything, but he still can, he just didn't need to. Those are even remotely close to the same thing.

I never ever made such a claim. What I did say, and what you can't dispute is, OZY can move his arm exceptional fast. Fast enough to catch a bullet after it was fired from 5 feet away and his arms at his side. THAT fast. We also know he's excellent at h2h combat. He knows how to punch, he knows what goes into a punch. If he knows all that, and can move his arm very fast, explain to me how that doesn't equate to his arm movement being faster? There are other things required to punch that can increase power and torque... Torso, Legs and shoulders. However, the majority of what goes into punch speed is arm movement. Those other factors are more for power, technique and being in the correct position with your feet and body to counter. Are you actually claiming other things besides how fast you can move your arm; determine how fast you can punch more than arm movement? Is that actually your claim?

By the way, the question is arm movement. That isn't limited to punching or anything. Now, one more time, who has displayed faster arm movement?

Next, I want an answer to my next statement of fact that you said you refuted. Answer that question. Was I correct or not?

another long blurb of a post.

which phucking finger do you like the most kt?

Originally posted by carthage
Please let this reach 100 pages

I want the thread to reach 200 pages 😆 😆

Originally posted by FrothByte
You obviously know next to nothing about how to throw a proper punch. Simple arm movement, meaning moving my arm from point A to point B utilizes arm muscles. A proper punch will utilize muscles from your entire body, from your legs to your torso to your core to your arms. In fact, the arm muscles do very little during a proper punch. It's the leg and back muscles that do most of the work. If you do it right, you propel your arm forward with your body, you don't just extend or move your arm.

Utilizing arm muscles for a punch makes the punch weak and will tire you too fast.

All this is fact. Ask any professional fighter or trainer and they'll tell you the same thing.

Now that we've established that a proper punch has very little to do with simple arm movement, we can therefore conclude that there is no proof that Ozy can punch fast since he never showed such speed. Using "arm speed" to translate to "punching speed" is a false conclusion.

So when you say "Ozy has faster hand speed", what exactly do you mean? If you mean catching speed, sure I'll give you that. If you mean punching speed, then Bucky clearly wins that discussion.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You obviously know next to nothing about how to throw a proper punch. Simple arm movement, meaning moving my arm from point A to point B utilizes arm muscles. A proper punch will utilize muscles from your entire body, from your legs to your torso to your core to your arms. In fact, the arm muscles do very little during a proper punch. It's the leg and back muscles that do most of the work. If you do it right, you propel your arm forward with your body, you don't just extend or move your arm.

Utilizing arm muscles for a punch makes the punch weak and will tire you too fast.

All this is fact. Ask any professional fighter or trainer and they'll tell you the same thing.

Now that we've established that a proper punch has very little to do with simple arm movement, we can therefore conclude that there is no proof that Ozy can punch fast since he never showed such speed. Using "arm speed" to translate to "punching speed" is a false conclusion.

So when you say "Ozy has faster hand speed", what exactly do you mean? If you mean catching speed, sure I'll give you that. If you mean punching speed, then Bucky clearly wins that discussion.

Holy **** you're retarded. I'm mean seriously retarded. Look at your post you buffoon. You TRY and correct me, yet say the exact same thing I did. Do you know how dumb that makes you look? You say what else goes into a punch besides your arm muscles. Then I say, well other factors like your Torso, Shoulders, Legs and Back can also factor in, but those have more to do with power and proper positioning after a punch is thrown. I LITERALLY said that BEFORE you did. Then you come back with this punch and act like I don't know what goes into a punch.. cite the SAME things I did, CITE THOSE increase power like I DID JUST PREVIOUSLY. Talk about a totally buffoon.

Telling me I don't know how to throw a punch. I would pay money to see you in a boxing ring. I swear, it would be truly epic to see what you'd say then LMAO. Point is, NON of those things factor into the speed of a punch as much as your arm muscles. What you need are fast twitch muscles fibers in order to move at those speeds. Ozy unquestionably does have those in order to catch the bullet. That is unquestionable. You probably have no clue what that even means. Or let me guess you'll say the same thing I did in your next post, and then go, see you have no clue what you're talking about AMIRITE clownshoes?

This dumbass goes punching requires muscles throughout the whole body. NO shit dumbass, who said otherwise. When we are talking about Bolts running speed, how would somebody lok that goes well yeah, that requires leg muscles... but it also requires muscles throughout your entire body. DUHHHHH. That's a given. How's he running with no chest muscles or arm muscles? He couldn't. That doesn't mean it needs to be said moron. To say nothing of the fact, that again, I already specifically said the other areas before you did.

This is the reality and why your position is retarded

It's like saying Beast can't lift a scooter, when he's shown lifting a car. And have that person go, well a scooter is different. Different leverage is required, weight is distributed different etc etc. Those all might be true. But if he can lift a car, he can lift a damn scooter.

If Supes can read every book ever written in the world about medicine, and do so in seconds. He can punch 100000 times in seconds as well. However, I could say well Supes could punch only a 100 times in seconds and there's always one moron who sees that and goes well he's never done so, so he can't. That dumb guy is your froth. That is exactly you. How does that feel?

Ozy can move is arm exponentially faster than Bucky ever has come close to showing. By that premise, and the fact that Ozy is very skilled in h2h combat means he has no issue throwing a fast punch. He know how to throw a proper punch. For buffoonery, we know he has muscles all over his body that are above human level. Example being leg muscles. In order to jump as high and as far as he has with no running start couldn't occur any other way that incredible leg muscles and back muscles. Shit we know his arm muscles are superb as well. We saw guys breaking people jaws with punches or sending them flying back. Big dude. Yet Ozy casually blocks their punches. I know Froth has never blocked a punch in his life. But when doing so, often times a strong punch overpowers your block and the punch gets through a little to your head. Or it just moves your arms some upon contact. Notice how these guys hit Ozy's arm and their punch stops DEAD in their tracks. His arm doesn't move an inch after contact. . He raises his arm into position, contact, stop with no issue. All the time talking and joking around. Clearly demonstrating his arm muscles are just fine. He's clearly above any human, yet we still have people questioning their muscles throughout their entire body LMAO. HOly shit

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't mind KT, he's doing his raging pouting thing again.

All of that and you still haven't posted any proof that Ozy can fight faster than WS.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There are other things required to punch that can increase power and torque... Torso, Legs and shoulders. However, the majority of what goes into punch speed is arm movement. Those other factors are more for power, technique and being in the correct position with your feet and body to counter. Are you actually claiming other things besides how fast you can move your arm; determine how fast you can punch more than arm movement? Is that actually your claim?

I literally just said this before your post clownshoes. Look at these people who actually think you made a point lol. Hate hate hate. Gotta love it 🙂 Point is, this post totally and completely makes you look like a clownshoes. Period end of story. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you are this dumb, because if you are I feel sorry for you. IF not, and you're being obtuse, I guess that is better. Maybe. Anyways. Go run away like kid, or answer my next question and stop embarrassing yourself. I really loks bad and you know it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I really loks bad and you know it.

i hope game 7 between OKC and GS is this entertaining

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I literally just said this before your post clownshoes. Look at these people who actually think you made a point lol. Hate hate hate. Gotta love it 🙂 Point is, this post totally and completely makes you look like a clownshoes. Period end of story. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you are this dumb, because if you are I feel sorry for you. IF not, and you're being obtuse, I guess that is better. Maybe. Anyways. Go run away like kid, or answer my next question and stop embarrassing yourself. I really loks bad and you know it.

You say you said the same things I said, and yet you still insist that Ozy moving his hand fast is enough evidence to show he can punch fast.

If you really knew what it means to throw a punch, you'll know that moving your am fast doesn't equate to punching fast. Period.

Which brings me back to my point. Bucky has faster striking feats than Ozy. Agree?

I also love how you think I'm the one looking bad in this debate. Can't you see all these other people laughing at you?

Dude, those guys all don't like me. You think they are agreeing with you cause your right? LOL. Dude, think about it.

I say what goes into a punch. Some of the varies components

You say I don't know how to throw a punch, and proceed to say the same thing I just said.

People who I've easily dealt with prior, and generally aren't my big fans, come in and say nice point Froth.

Now, how could you make a good point if you just repeated what I said? Get it now? Cool

No that's YOU saying I'm saying that is all that goes into a punch. That is you trying to desperately find something that helps your argument. No good man. Doesn't work that way. Your vision of these things are made up in fantasy land and covering up your eyes and ears and going no no no. Think about it, you are trying to peddle the following illogical perspective.

Fact: We know Ozy has displayed significantly faster arm movement. This is indisputable. This includes all the muscles and specifically fast twitch ones. He's also displayed muscles in his legs, by jumping further than WS ever did on screen. For showcasing his muscle power, agility and technique. Same goes for eyes and this reactions. Again, tuned to a clearly higher degree. Point being, I've already established the case for his superiority to WS in some areas. Now here is your only option for your theory to work

Ozy has substantially faster arm muscles and movement. However, Bucky has better muscles in all other areas that aid in a punch. Shoulders, torso, legs, back etc etc. Now why would that be? How could Ozy have substantially better arm muscles, specifically those geared for speed. Yet, his other muscles, which mind you, impact speed substantially less then arm movement. But yet, even though they aren't as important as arm muscles, yet he's so far and above Ozy in those areas that he can try and compensate?? I mean really? That is a pretty illogical stance.

You take it a step further, and think WS punches faster? Jesus. That is even worse. I can never get behind such ass backwards logic as that. That's like seeing Beast lift a car, and then going well I don't think he can lift a scotter. Your reasoning is, they are different and distribute weight differently. Yeah okay, and?? No, Beast can lift a damn scooter.

Here we see Ozy throw people with ease, grow men, in some ways surpassing WS. Thus again showing the equality even in strength or throwing power. He can clearly move his arm faster and clearly vastly better reactions. Yet he won't be able to get a punch off faster? and why?? Because of some miracle of ummm.... Yeah.... ummmm I can't even formulate an argument. The only way you could, is if Ozy didn't know how to punch. Nope, Then what? Anyways, I'm still waiting for your concession. Who has faster arm movement?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Dude, those guys all don't like me. You think they are agreeing with you cause your right? LOL. Dude, think about it.

I say what goes into a punch. Some of the varies components

You say I don't know how to throw a punch, and proceed to say the same thing I just said.

People who I've easily dealt with prior, and generally aren't my big fans, come in and say nice point Froth.

Now, how could you make a good point if you just repeated what I said? Get it now? Cool

No that's YOU saying I'm saying that is all that goes into a punch. That is you trying to desperately find something that helps your argument. No good man. Doesn't work that way. Your vision of these things are made up in fantasy land and covering up your eyes and ears and going no no no. Think about it, you are trying to peddle the following illogical perspective.

Fact: We know Ozy has displayed significantly faster arm movement. This is indisputable. This includes all the muscles and specifically fast twitch ones. He's also displayed muscles in his legs, by jumping further than WS ever did on screen. For showcasing his muscle power, agility and technique. Same goes for eyes and this reactions. Again, tuned to a clearly higher degree. Point being, I've already established the case for his superiority to WS in some areas. Now here is your only option for your theory to work

Ozy has substantially faster arm muscles and movement. However, Bucky has better muscles in all other areas that aid in a punch. Shoulders, torso, legs, back etc etc. Now why would that be? How could Ozy have substantially better arm muscles, specifically those geared for speed. Yet, his other muscles, which mind you, impact speed substantially less then arm movement. But yet, even though they aren't as important as arm muscles, yet he's so far and above Ozy in those areas that he can try and compensate?? I mean really? That is a pretty illogical stance.

You take it a step further, and think WS punches faster? Jesus. That is even worse. I can never get behind such ass backwards logic as that. That's like seeing Beast lift a car, and then going well I don't think he can lift a scotter. Your reasoning is, they are different and distribute weight differently. Yeah okay, and?? No, Beast can lift a damn scooter.

Here we see Ozy throw people with ease, grow men, in some ways surpassing WS. Thus again showing the equality even in strength or throwing power. He can clearly move his arm faster and clearly vastly better reactions. Yet he won't be able to get a punch off faster? and why?? Because of some miracle of ummm.... Yeah.... ummmm I can't even formulate an argument. The only way you could, is if Ozy didn't know how to punch. Nope, Then what? Anyways, I'm still waiting for your concession. Who has faster arm movement?

Ok... so show me Ozy punching faster than WS. Show me Ozy punching or kicking faster than WS in the middle of a fight.

A drummer has fast hands. Does not mean he's a fast puncher.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok... so show me Ozy punching faster than WS. Show me Ozy punching or kicking faster than WS in the middle of a fight.

A drummer has fast hands. Does not mean he's a fast puncher.

A drummer has fast hands? 😂 that is in no way comparable to a man catching a bullet from six feet away. Not to mention its not the drummer hands simply moving fast its the sticks themselves bouncing repeatedly off of the drum.

I want you to go to your local walmart and buy a jar of both hand and face moisturizer
Once that's done take it home
Wash your hands and face with warm water then apply both hand and face moisturizer. Now look yourself in the mirror... raise your right hand... and smack the shit out of yourself for even comparing the two

Originally posted by FrothByte

I also love how you think I'm the one looking bad in this debate. Can't you see all these other people laughing at you?

😂😂

KT is a buffoon

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
A drummer has fast hands? 😂 that is in no way comparable to a man catching a bullet from six feet away. Not to mention its not the drummer hands simply moving fast its the sticks themselves bouncing repeatedly off of the drum.

I want you to go to your local walmart and buy a jar of both hand and face moisturizer
Once that's done take it home
Wash your hands and face with warm water then apply both hand and face moisturizer. Now look yourself in the mirror... raise your right hand... and smack the shit out of yourself for even comparing the two

A drummer is also not a superhero. In no way am I insinuating that a drummer has hands as fast as Ozy. I'm merely trying to apply KT's logic to a real world scenario. If you don't want to use a drummer then let's use a juggler in this example. In KT's logic, someone with fast hands can automatically transition to doing fast punches as long as he's taught to punch.

Also... you need to work on your insults. Get a jar of moisturizer and slap yourself? Seriously? That's weak dude.

Originally posted by FrothByte
A drummer is also not a superhero. In no way am I insinuating that a drummer has hands as fast as Ozy. I'm merely trying to apply KT's logic to a real world scenario. If you don't want to use a drummer then let's use a juggler in this example. In KT's logic, someone with fast hands can automatically transition to doing fast punches as long as he's taught to punch.

Also... you need to work on your insults. Get a jar of moisturizer and slap yourself? Seriously? That's weak dude.

Drummers or juggles don't have fast hands you half wit...

Have you slapped yourself yet?

Holy shite, this is still going. Bucky wins, ffs.