Sith Triumvirate vs Tyranus Vader and Maul

Started by FreshestSlice5 pages

Originally posted by AncientPower
So application bias, cool.

That's actually the exact opposite of what that is.


He was strong enough to be considered for Jedi training in a time when tens of thousands were overwhelming the Order already, yeh.

He was also a child. And that's not what training means. Keep on moving that goal post.

She wasn't weakest, she just couldn't handle her emotions, once she returned she levelled them in a few seconds, these being masters of precognition.

Except she's stated to be the weakest...and they don't have actual precognition, and she has actual Force powers. There's really no comparison. The fact that the Exile can solo all of them while barely even being able to feel the Force is hilarious on it's own as well.

They killed and tortured Jedi for a living, you claimed they hadn't handled a lightsaber for a year, which is irrelevant given their previous experience.

Except the entire point was to not actually confront the Jedi. 😐

A bounty hunter capable of taking down a Jedi Master.

Citation needed.

Traya ridicules everybody, Bastila on the other hand says Vrook Lamar is one of the most powerful Masters in the Jedi Order.

The super impressive Jedi Order Revan topped at 20ish and then decimated during two wars.

I take it you actually played the game... because Dark Side Exile is far stronger than the Light Side Exile even in the storyline.

Uh, no. Only if you actually kill the masters first, and considering you can't solo people already dead, that's not really that possible.

Yes because she was amped and had a huge speed advantage that they conceded to her when they dodged her lightning bolt at the start and she leapt on them.

And Scourge wouldn't be because...?

Pretty much irrelevant.

No it pretty much isn't.

I do, you called them complete fodder, which is hilariously wrong. You lowballed instead of debating, simple.

You act like you

A) Presented literally anything that puts a single person you brought up into relevancy
and
B) That saying someone is weak is somehow mutually exclusive from talking about them, which is what debating is.


Traya completely stomping two powerful groups of Jedi with absolute ease is better than any comparable Force feat Tyranus or Maul has accomplished before.

You still have to show why these people are powerful besides saying they are, and including a bunch of misinformation that has next to nothing to do with actual Jedi training. The fact that you think defeating a bunch of neophytes is beyond Dooku's capabilities is pretty lulzy too.

Round 1: Team 2
Round 2: Team 1
Round 3: Team 1

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Team 2 I think their saber advantage will be good enough to bring them to victory and they aren't outclassed in the force.

They cannot do much against Force Drain powers.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
A group of fodder. Like absolute fodder. Your definition of powerful is retarded.

Jedi Masters are not fodder by any stretch of imagination. A Jedi becomes a Master only after proving himself worthy for the title (in most cases).

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
An Exile well below anyone here.

You sure about this?

She defeated Darth Traya and Darth Sion on separate occasions.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
An Exile who can't even take on Nyriss.

While I don't buy the whole Darth Nyriss (being amped) nonsense, Meetra Surik lost to Darth Nyriss in a setting that was strong in the Dark Side nonetheless.

Why is Traya fodder in this thread yet in all others she one-shots with gigadrain? 🙄

And I would think collectively the Jedi Masters are more powerful than any individual Dooku has dominated.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yeh, almost as if Traya telekinetically shitstomped groups of powerful Force users with absolute ease. Nihilus is the deal breaker though, not one member of team two can survive his drain.

Dooku and Vader might. Might.

But then they get shitstomped. Also I highly doubt they can take Nihilus AND Traya draining them.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why is Traya fodder in this thread yet in all others she one-shots with gigadrain? 🙄

And I would think collectively the Jedi Masters are more powerful than any individual Dooku has dominated.

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Damn, a bounty hunter? Well that's basically a Mandalorian, which is basically Jesus.

IIRC Mira was a Mandalorian. Or was brought up by them or something.

Tbh looking over the Jedi Masters' feats they have some pretty impressive showings.

Kavar is casually Force stunning several soldiers at once with a gesture, knocking the Exile on her ass and incapacitating 5 soldiers with a Force wave. Vrook was able to temporarily incapacitate the Exile and her party with a Force push, straight up trap the Exile in stasis, and Zez-Kai Ell is casually launching Hanharr over several dozen if not a hundred meters with a push.

And of course collectively they were capable of severing the Exile from the Force, so yeah not seeing how they are fodder at all.

Yep, stormtrooper tier fodder confirmed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why is Traya fodder in this thread yet in all others she one-shots with gigadrain? 🙄

And I would think collectively the Jedi Masters are more powerful than any individual Dooku has dominated.


Traya isn't fodder; she killed fodder. You can act like Kavar is the best thing every all you want, Beni, but TKing him isn't something outside of the capabilties of anyone here.
Originally posted by Nephthys

IIRC Mira was a Mandalorian. Or was brought up by them or something.

Yeah. A Mandalorian slave. Which does not make you a Jedi killer by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Jedi Masters are not fodder by any stretch of imagination. A Jedi becomes a Master only after proving himself worthy for the title (in most cases).


Completely ignoring the several people title "Jedi Master" that are slain on a daily basis and in swarms in the OR era, NJO, TCW, and Legacy, sure.

You sure about this?

She defeated Darth Traya and Darth Sion on separate occasions.


Yes, I'm absolutely certain that defeating Traya and Sion is something pretty much everyone on Team 2 can do here being superior combatants.

While I don't buy the whole Darth Nyriss (being amped) nonsense, Meetra Surik lost to Darth Nyriss in a setting that was strong in the Dark Side nonetheless.

And she would have lost in a neutral setting because she was generally more powerful than her.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Traya isn't fodder; she killed fodder. You can act like Kavar is the best thing every all you want, Beni, but TKing him isn't something outside of the capabilties of anyone here.
And you can make all the baseless claims you like but that doesn't make them any less false. 👆

But yeah lets also ignore the fact that Kreia oneshotted him and two other equally powerful masters.

Kavar isn't more powerful than Obi-Wan and Anakin, the hell are you talking about? And she didn't even one shot them, she TK'd them and used some drain that was supposed to be unable to be defended against.

Huh? When did Dooku dominate Anakin?

And? Traya doesn't have use of her Force drain powers here or something? Lel.

No she quite likely wouldn't have lost, Nyriss had nothing but amplified speed going for her. The Dark Temple and the Citadel are stated to be nexuses of the Dark Side that can be drawn from, at long distances.

Nyriss couldn't kill Surik through Surik's barrier, despite Surik not being able to connect to the Force and find enlightenment, as stated in the novel, which clearly indicates an inability to draw from Force valor and properly apply Force defense.

Nyriss took an immediate offensive advantage over them when they had to dodge her lightning, she took Scourge down in a single lunge then she focused on Surik, whom was capable of holding her ground defensively until she was physically driven to her knee by Nyriss.

Not to mention Surik had been physically and mentally exhausted before even arriving on Kaas, she suffered severely on Nathema before spending four straight days relying on Force sustenance without food, water or sleep. Only then did she arrive on Kaas where again she had no chance at revitalisation and couldn't connect to the Light Side of the Force.

Meetra survived a single bolt of Nyriss' lightning, sure. But it's also stated in the novel that her FLS was going to kill them both.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Huh? When did Dooku dominate Anakin?

In pretty much every encounter until RotS?

And? Traya doesn't have use of her Force drain powers here or something? Lel.

She does, but given she's up against far superior opponents, I doubt she'll be able to use it in time.

Team 2 pretty solidly throughout.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Meetra survived a single bolt of Nyriss' lightning, sure. But it's also stated in the novel that her FLS was going to kill them both.

Scourge thinks he was powerless, just like the rest of the fight. Nyriss intends to incinerate her enemies with more power than she can control. Hence getting obliterated by the rebounded power herself.

Though it's beyond my point, really.

Dooku > Kreia, Vader > Nihilus Maul >>>>> Sion

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Round 1: Team 2
Round 2: Team 1
Round 3: Team 1

They cannot do much against Force Drain powers.

Jedi Masters are not fodder by any stretch of imagination. A Jedi becomes a Master only after proving himself worthy for the title (in most cases).

You sure about this?

She defeated Darth Traya and Darth Sion on separate occasions.

While I don't buy the whole Darth Nyriss (being amped) nonsense, Meetra Surik lost to Darth Nyriss in a setting that was strong in the Dark Side nonetheless.

While I see Nihlus as possibly the greatest Sith to use drain or one of them, Vader and Tyranus are extremely powerful people, and I'm not completely sure but can you or someone explain to me Darth Vader's teachings by Qel Droma on how to resist Force Drain? I know he has that, but Dooku I think would just have to rely on his sheer power to get through which I think is possible to overpower his opponent, but I'm not 100% sure.

It's not like they're going to kill people more powerful than themselves with it anyway. But even if they could, at least two of these three can stop it.

Team 2
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Team 1

Maul dies to the drain. Leaving it 3 v 2. And while Vader and Dooku are more powerful than Kreia or Sion I'm unsure if they will be capable of handling both. And then there is Nihilus himself who should be able to beat either in a battle.

So I'd say the Triumvirate takes all out in a hard fought battle