Sith Triumvirate vs Tyranus Vader and Maul

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
In pretty much every encounter until RotS?

She does, but given she's up against far superior opponents, I doubt she'll be able to use it in time.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
While I see Nihlus as possibly the greatest Sith to use drain or one of them, Vader and Tyranus are extremely powerful people, and I'm not completely sure but can you or someone explain to me Darth Vader's teachings by Qel Droma on how to resist Force Drain? I know he has that, but Dooku I think would just have to rely on his sheer power to get through which I think is possible to overpower his opponent, but I'm not 100% sure.

I just wanted to make sure you know you said that.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Completely ignoring the several people title "Jedi Master" that are slain on a daily basis and in swarms in the OR era, NJO, TCW, and Legacy, sure.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, I'm absolutely certain that defeating Traya and Sion is something pretty much everyone on Team 2 can do here being superior combatants.

Darth Traya have formidable Force abilities and her Force Drain powers (in particular) are a game-changer for her against many adversaries.

Darth Sion can continue to resurrect himself and exhaust his adversary in a duel in a setting strong in the Dark Side. The only way to stop him is to convince him to let go and not many can override his will. He may not fare as well in a neutral setting but his immortality remains a problem in this contest nonetheless.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And she would have lost in a neutral setting because she was generally more powerful than her.

Originally posted by Sinious
You just said Dooku can survive Nihilus' drain and defeat him with his superior raw power.

I just wanted to make sure you know you said that.

I believe it's possible, to make it more clear, but not completely sure.

No ****ing way is Dooku overpowering Nihilus.

And Ulics technique involves replenishing your force reserves as they're drained. Theres no telling that it would work with the Gigadrain which is stated to sever the target of the force and then drain it. Or that they could replenish themselves at a good enough rate to match Nihilus' drain. IIRC in the game you could get drained by the reaper faster than Anakin could keep up with and die.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Obvious bait is obvious, Traya > Maul & Tyranus.

Def not Tyranus. He had access to the same holocron that taught Anakin to resist the Dark Reaper.

Team 2 wins. Vader has the knowledge to resist the Dark Reapers and has raw force power roughly on the level of Nihilus. Maul can likely break Sion.

I do agree that Nihilus outguns Tyranus though.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why is Traya fodder in this thread yet in all others she one-shots with gigadrain? 🙄

And I would think collectively the Jedi Masters are more powerful than any individual Dooku has dominated.

This thread has Vader and Dooku.
Dooku was wanked to death on these forums for a long time.
Now Vader is being wanked like crazy.
After the Vader hype dies down, this forum will start worshipping Kylo Ren (perhaps this has already begun).

While there are exceptions, putting most characters from other eras against the current deities of this board will cause those characters to be lowballed and considered fodder.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Def not Tyranus. He had access to the same holocron that taught Anakin to resist the Dark Reaper.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Team 2 wins. Vader has the knowledge to resist the Dark Reapers and has raw force power roughly on the level of Nihilus. Maul can likely break Sion.

Anakin Skywalker could resist Force Drain powers to a certain extent but not indefinitely.

FYI: If you get too close to the Dark Reaper, you perish regardless of your abilities.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
While I see Nihlus as possibly the greatest Sith to use drain or one of them, Vader and Tyranus are extremely powerful people, and I'm not completely sure but can you or someone explain to me Darth Vader's teachings by Qel Droma on how to resist Force Drain? I know he has that, but Dooku I think would just have to rely on his sheer power to get through which I think is possible to overpower his opponent, but I'm not 100% sure.

While Count Dooku and Darth Vader are powerful Force-users, they don't stand a chance against most potent expressions of Force Drain.

Yes, Ulic Qel-Droma taught Anakin Skywalker the ability to resist Force Drain powers but this talent have limitations.

Skywalker could resist the effects of Dark Reaper from a certain distance but could not get close to it.

Raw power alone would not save Count Dooku and Darth Vader from eventual demise.

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Any proof that Ulic's technique is good enough to resist Nihilus? It's limitations as pointed out by Legend seem to be proof that it'd be inadequate.

Any proof that the Sith's drain are good enough to kill people more powerful than themselves? Or that they'd get the chance to use it in a combat scenario against opponents stronger than themselves?

Yeah the strongest people that have ever been instadrained are the councilors in KOTOR II

Don't let the fact that they're only seen dying really fool you. They're top-tiers all of them.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I believe it's possible, to make it more clear, but not completely sure.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No ****ing way is Dooku overpowering Nihilus.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Any proof that the Sith's drain are good enough to kill people more powerful than themselves? Or that they'd get the chance to use it in a combat scenario against opponents stronger than themselves?

Lol @ any of these guys being more powerful than Nihilus.

Plus you know, he drained a hundred Jedi + a planet of force sensitives. If you think Vader, Maul and Dooku are collectively more potent than that, maybe we can continue this line of reasoning. But like, you'd be pretty ****in' wrong.

But ok, it's stated to be unblockable. Done. Wham, bam, than you mam.

And all Nihilus needs to do is use the technique, like just raise his hand if that. It's not like he's combusts in the presence of people stronger than him. 😬

You dirty doggy

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus you know, he drained a hundred Jedi + a planet of force sensitives. If you think Vader, Maul and Dooku are collectively more potent than that, maybe we can continue this line of reasoning. But like, you'd be pretty ****in' wrong.

It's has nothing to do with collective potency. Because they're all individuals.

In the face of an AoE attack, a few strong individuals fare better than any number of weak individuals. Yoda would fare better in the face of Vitiate's FLS than 20 lesser Jedi, even though they collectively should possess far more force power than he does. Even if a thousand of those feeb Andeddu cultists stepped into Bane's Death Field, they would all have died; I doubt even you'd suggest that Luke would so easily drop dead if he alone were caught in it's radius. The same principle applies here.

Also, according to Bane's entry in the Book of Sith, Drain is incredibly difficult to apply in a combat situation. God, Bane. Don't you just hate him?

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Right, except you wouldn't use an AOE attack against a single opponent, you'd concentrate the energy into a focused attack. For arguments sake, Yoda wouldn't necessarily fare better than those 20 Jedi if Vitiate compressed the power that he would have otherwise spread out over a wide area with less power per target, into a single blast of lightning. Nihilus didn't blast a planet when he attacked Traya or the Exile, he only attacked them and not anyone else with a single, focused attack.

Collective potency still matters for an AOE attack. You need to put out enough power to defeat a certain amount of people at the same time. Collectively. To defeat 20 Jedi at once, you need to put out enough power to overwhelm the force defenses of 20 Jedi at once. It'd use the same amount of power as an attack that overwhelmed the defenses of an opponent with power equal to all 20 Jedi together. QED mother****er.

Good thing Nihilus doesn't actually use drain then. Remember that? That didn't stop being a thing that was true, despite our pet name for the technique. And we've seen Nihilus and Traya use it easily in combat situations. Derp.

*Drops two pennies in the thread*

Maul and Dooku go down to Nihilus and Traya's initial drainage and the short aftermath. Vader loses to all three.