Originally posted by Raisen
dude, it's insane. you can't reason with them. everything is racism and they are just waiting to call you a racist. look at how astner dealt with me in this thread.
Originally posted by Surtur
Speaking of reasons can you share why poor people should be given free housing in the burbs?
I can't really think of a valid reason why they shouldn't.
Do you have any reason why you think suburbs should be excluded when the amount of housing assistance people receive stays the same?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I can't really think of a valid reason why they shouldn't.Do you have any reason why you think suburbs should be excluded when the amount of housing assistance people receive stays the same?
Here's something that I read a little earlier today.
Sorry checked the link to see if it worked it didn't so I'm copying and pasting it.
Don't let N.J.'s wealthy suburbs block out black and Latino families
By Richard T. Smith and Christian Estevez
We are deeply troubled by recent demands from mayors of wealthy towns for the reinstatement of Regional Contribution Agreements — New Jersey's modern-day version of red lining.
In 2008, Legislative leaders secured one of the most significant civil rights victories in recent New Jersey history when they succeeded in finally preventing wealthy suburban towns from using Regional Contribution Agreements, or RCAs, to avoid their fair housing obligations.
These principled lawmakers, including then-Assembly Majority Leader Bonnie Watson Coleman and former Assembly Speaker Joseph A. Roberts, recognized RCAs, for what they were: a slap in the face of working families and an abdication of municipalities' moral and constitutional obligations to provide fair housing opportunities to tens of thousands of New Jerseyans trapped in generations of poverty.
Before their abolition, these agreements allowed a few wealthy, overwhelmingly white towns, to avoid building their fair share of homes affordable to working families, seniors and those with disabilities. Instead, they used the funds to pay for repairs — many of them minor — to existing homes in poor urban communities. This allowed wealthy towns to avoid allowing 10,000 families to seek opportunities closer to jobs and schools and diverted $200 million away from the production of new homes for New Jersey families.
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RCAs further concentrated poverty and reinforced longstanding patterns of racial and economic segregation, preventing poorer families — especially Latinos and people of color — from moving to thriving suburban communities with good schools and growing employment opportunities.
Roberts was correct when he called these agreements "blood money."
Ironically, this year's new push for RCAs is coming even as legislative Democrats pursue an anti-poverty agenda focused on increasing the minimum wage. The reinstatement of RCAs would instead represent an abandonment of many Latinos and African-Americans who are steadily working their way up the socioeconomic ladder. The need for an aggressive fair housing policy in New Jersey has never been more clear.
More than 15 years of political gridlock in Trenton prevented the proper enforcement of New Jersey's fair housing laws. Our state's economy has been buffeted from all sides – from the devastation caused by Superstorm Sandy to a still-unfolding foreclosure crisis plaguing homeowners, and the loss of thousands of jobs when a wave of casinos were shuttered in Atlantic City.
At the same time, the state remains one of the most economically and racially segregated states in the nation.
Many black and Latino families are priced out of being a part of our more affluent communities which are consistently characterized by being overwhelmingly white. This is our Ferguson — two states, separate and unequal.
New Jersey families need more than 200,000 additional homes to meet these challenges over a 25-year period, according to a study by Princeton University lecturer David N. Kinsey.
A unanimous decision from the New Jersey Supreme Court last year put the state on a path to meeting the needs of these families by reaffirming our fair housing laws, known as the Mount Laurel Doctrine, and breaking through the political gridlock by empowering judges to enforce the law.
As a result, hundreds of towns are now in the process of submitting housing plans for judicial approval.
Unfortunately, too many New Jersey mayors are fighting the court's mandate tooth and nail — attempting to frustrate justice and our constitution by dragging their feet and watering down their housing plans to keep people of color out of their communities.
These mayors want to continue racist policies that have kept thousands of black and Latino children from attending successful schools and excluded working parents from access to jobs in office parks and suburban downtowns located prohibitively far outside our state's cities.
Officials in Parsippany, one of New Jersey's wealthiest towns, for instance, recently told township residents that they were approving the development of a Whole Foods on a parcel slated for redevelopment, specifically to prevent the land from being used to build homes for working families.
In the face of municipal officials who would choose a high-priced supermarket over New Jersey families, it's no surprise that these same officials are now asking the Legislature to reinstate RCAs.
Rehabilitating housing in our state's cities should not come at the expense of creating new opportunities in growing suburban communities. Other programs more effectively provide for the rehabilitation and production of new housing in urban areas.
As Roberts said, "RCAs exacerbate the divisions of our society and undermine the Mount Laurel decision itself. To advance as a state, we must move forward together — all of us — and not pay others to stay behind."
A broad-based coalition of faith and civil rights leaders, as well as mayors, recognized that RCAs were wrong for New Jersey families. We are prepared to mobilize again to preserve this victory from anyone who would challenge it.
Now is not the time to go backward.
The current fair housing process established by the state's Supreme Court represents the best hope for thousands of people across New Jersey who have waited for decades for our state to make good on its promise of equal opportunity for all.
Richard T. Smith is president of the NAACP New Jersey State Conference.
Christian Estevez is the president of the Latino Action Network.
Originally posted by Raisen
Does poverty cause crime
That's like asking if a bum is happy wearing shitty underpants every day. The answer would depend on the person. You can't generalize people. I asked a room filled with people that if they knew that they would die if they walked up a certain street at a certain time, would they? A few said that they would. What can I say? Different strokes for different folks.
Originally posted by Raisen
Just answer. Is crime much higher in poverty ridden areas
No it isn't considering that America is under siege with the heroin epidemic on the rise. Even rich areas are being overrun with crime. This is what I mean by you can't generalize people. A lot of the people that commit crime suffer from extreme mental illnesses. Does being rich mean that you are free of mental illnesses? I know people that i grew up with that were so poor at certain points of their lives that they ate food ridden with mold, but they didn't resort to crime. So again it depends on the person. What you need to do is stop reading so much of the things that paint people in a certain light, and go and see for yourself. Not to jump on you, but honestly there are a lot of good people that also happen to be poor.