Darth Malgus vs. Savage Opress

Savage's short performance against Maul is what makes me doubt him. If he doesn't noob out like that against Malgus and brings out his power properly, then it won't be an easy fight for Malgus.

Which is using the incorrect assumption that Malgus is capable of what Maul is. 😉

idk, you were pretty convincing with your deceived Malgus > Maul arguments just a few months ago 🙂

Because Malgus has to be capable of what Maul is to not get stomped in the same fashion? Not that what either of you said is relevant anyways.

Originally posted by Sinious
idk, you were pretty convincing with your deceived Malgus > Maul arguments just a few months ago 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because Malgus has to be capable of what Maul is to not get stomped in the same fashion? Not that what either of you said is relevant anyways.

Originally posted by ILS
That makes sinus the lucky third poster to pull "b-but you said this months ago how could u chang3 your mind? :0" in recent times.
The argument is that because Savage lost so badly to Maul, this somehow demonstrates inferiority to Malgus by principle - that principle would need to be that for whatever reason Malgus is closer to Maul than Savage. They aren't even in the same time period and have never been mentioned together, hence why I'm calling it an assumption.

Both Maul and Dooku humiliated him. It's not like Savage ever engaged in a force fight with a powerful Sith and did a good job.

And given that it's not a logical approach to use outdated opinions against someone, I'll go ahead and ignore you when you do. It's essentially just an admission of not having a good argument.

Dooku "humiliated" him the first time we ever saw Savage hold a lightsaber, lmao. Savage smashed Dooku into a wall shortly after, and following on from there Savage began growing powerful enough for Dooku to declare him a "threat to us all" whose power could be felt growing across the galaxy with every passing day. Throw a couple of TCW seasons and tie-in comics under Savage's belt and he's looking much stronger than he did in season 3.

Also, nice decapitation of logic there, Sinny. You need to prove Malgus has any relevance compared to Maul or Dooku before you use their accomplishments to gauge him. I know it'd make life much easier, but it's a really shit argument.

Originally posted by ILS
And given that it's not a logical approach to use outdated opinions against someone, I'll go ahead and ignore you when you do. It's essentially just an admission of not having a good argument.

Dooku "humiliated" him the first time we ever saw Savage hold a lightsaber, lmao. Savage smashed Dooku into a wall shortly after, and following on from there Savage began growing powerful enough for Dooku to declare him a "threat to us all" whose power could be felt growing across the galaxy with every passing day. Throw a couple of TCW seasons and tie-in comics under Savage's belt and he's looking much stronger than he did in season 3.

Also, nice decapitation of logic there, Sinny. You need to prove Malgus has any relevance compared to Maul or Dooku before you use their accomplishments to gauge him. I know it'd make life much easier, but it's a really shit argument.

That is a fair point. Maybe I underestimated his growth in power throughout TCW tbh. Nevertheless, I just said it would be a good fight if he performs properly, which is technically not wrong. 🙂

Also, Malgus' lightning feats against Leneer and the other Jedi are pretty impressive, and as Carthage pointed out, he is more skilled. We know that Savage isn't gonna do great against powerful lightning and a foe strong enough to keep up with his strength in a lightsaber duel that he would eventually lose.

Malgus should take this without too much trouble.

Savage has way more than enough physical strength to withstand it's impact, and is more powerful than Leneer in the force (it won't shatter his barrier). It's an ace in Malgus's hole given how he implements it in combat, not because it can overwhelm Savage in a similar fashion to Leneer

But considering how Savage is ultimately inferior in the force and is less skilled, he also won't get any wins. Lightning by itself might not get the job done, but it guarantees the victory.

Originally posted by Sinious
But considering how Savage is ultimately inferior in the force

Originally posted by carthage
It's not a bad fight by any means.

Originally posted by carthage
Both are comparable in telekinetic power, and given their prodigious feats of force augmentation would make for a duel where theyre largely bashing each other around.

A Jedi Master, possessing sufficient raw power to collapse a building or two, failed to dominate (a badly wounded) Darth Malgus with his powers. Satele Shan pulled it off after absorbing the energy of a Lightsaber.

Opress wouldn't be bashing Darth Malgus around, not even close.

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus has somewhat of a technical edge/lightning, but Savage has similar raw power (choking Dooku out, physically beating Ventress around, blasting a ship off a cliff) and overall they're just very similar in their overall specs/raw power.

Darth Malgus is noticeably superior to Opress in raw power, melee skills and command of the Force; collective superiority in these 3 areas is a game-changer and implies that Darth Malgus would utterly dominate. Opress stacks up to the former in the area of physical strength [only] but this won't make any difference when he is inferior in other (more important) areas.

Choking Count Dooku was a useless effort from Opress; it wasn't enough to force Count Dooku into submission. Asajj Ventress also managed to choke both Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi during a confrontation but it too was a useless effort.

Physically beating Ventress around is no big deal. Opress had advantage in physical strength and Ventress wasn't a class apart from him in raw power to make much difference.

Blasting a small Starship off the cliff is a decent showing but not enough to elevate Savage Opress to the TIER of Darth Malgus. Aryn Leener sent [six] cars of a Tram packing across a hall like missiles (simultaneously) during a confrontation but Darth Malgus was strong enough to dominate her with his telekinetic powers in turn.

Originally posted by carthage
Malgus was arguably the best duelist of the Sith empire, and Savage could contend with the likes of Kenobi and beat/power through the likes of skilled duelists like Plo Koon, Ventress, and Adi Gallia

1. A time came when Kenobi grew in power and skill to such an extent that he managed to hold his own against the duo of Darth Maul and Opress in a confrontation. Kenobi might have killed Opress during this confrontation but Darth Maul prevented such a breakthrough.

2. I don't recall Opress's confrontation with Plo Koon. Is this even true?

3. Covered above

4. Adi Gallia is not a heavyweight

Originally posted by carthage
Not a stomp by any means, but I personally favor Malgus

👆

Round 1 easy win for Malgus.

Round 2 harder fought, but Malgus still takes it solidly with his superior finesse and technique while still retaining comparable brute force to counteract Savage's.

Damn, I wonder if people think Savage vs Revan is a good fight too.

Nobody thinks Revan vs Deceived Malgus is a good fight.

Originally posted by carthage
It's not a bad fight by any means. Both are comparable in telekinetic power, and given their prodigious feats of force augmentation would make for a duel where theyre largely bashing each other around. Malgus has somewhat of a technical edge/lightning, but Savage has similar raw power (choking Dooku out, physically beating Ventress around, blasting a ship off a cliff) and overall they're just very similar in their overall specs/raw power. Malgus was arguably the best duelist of the Sith empire, and Savage could contend with the likes of Kenobi and beat/power through the likes of skilled duelists like Plo Koon, Ventress, and Adi Gallia

Not a stomp by any means, but I personally favor Malgus

This tbh

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
This tbh