Darth Malgus vs. Savage Opress

See, as I said in that thread, it's likely that only the entrance way to the Temple of the Ancients collapsed, not the entire thing, if you want to say TOR is accurate because that would actually be twentyish meters with the rest of the tower destroyed by Revan; given the description of the stairs and what the Tower actually looks like. Bane doesn't need to be god and the feat would still be impressive. The idea that the Temple is in fine condition wouldn't make sense either way, honestly, given events of KotOR and TOR.

Except it's stated in the text that the temple itself is destroyed.

And hell, Bane's wave even shook the foundations of the temple, which were noted to be far beneath the surface of the planet.

It's hardly localized to the archway.

Uh, when did it say that? The closest is talking of the temple's "implosion" which doesn't require total destruction given it isn't even an actual implosion. The archway is what was stated to have collapsed in the book, then the roof, which wouldn't even make sense for a tower anyway. You can go on believing Bane can topple Empire State, if you wish.

"With the Temple's destruction there was no reason for him to remain on the Unknown World."

Considering that Bane threw a Force wave at Kas'im who was 20 meters above him, it would be directed at an upward level, and thus it makes complete sense that it would hit the archway before the roof.

And I don't see how an attack that only destroys an archway can shake the foundations of the temple which are noted to be far beneath the surface of the planet itself, with the archway noted to be 20 meters higher than the surface of the planet.

Originally posted by ILS
Also, not seeing much proof of Malgus having equivalent precision with lightning as Dooku (whose feats with it are better than Malgus'😉, especially not to the point he can drop a far more experienced Savage with it.

Moreover, Count Dooku doesn't holds a candle to Darth Malgus in the area of Force Lightning. We have several examples of Darth Malgus's Force Lightning overwhelming conventional defenses of powerful Force-users.

It is logical to assume that Savage Opress doesn't stands a chance at countering Darth Malgus's Force Lightning when more powerful Force-users couldn't.

Originally posted by ILS
Yeah, this argument kind of sucks. Savage has given people just as skilled as Malgus hell (Kenobi and Anakin),

It is silly to assume that the aforementioned Jedi matched Darth Malgus in skill during the early phase of the Clone Wars.

Originally posted by ILS
has better wins under his record by merit of pure martial ability (Ventress and Plo Koon compared to Ven Zallow, or defeating Aryn by merit of superior Force ability).

Ven Zallow wouldn't be inferior to the likes of Asajj Ventress and Plo Koon in dueling ability. He was implied to be superior to one of the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order (i.e. Jedi Master Usma) during the time of Sacking Of Coruscant; this in turn implies that Zallow can be safely counted among the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order.

Darth Malgus out-dueled a few other legends of his time as well; Satele Shan and Kao Cen Darach. Shan is officially recognized as a gifted warrior and Darach as a renowned Battlemaster.

Moreover, I don't recall Opress confronting Plo Koon. Care to provide evidence?

Originally posted by ILS
The fact Savage has also shown better strength feats (propelling Ventress, Dooku, Kenobi and Anakin through the air with the sheer weight of his blows) doesn't help matters when Malgus' main advantage is, similarly, his overwhelming strength.

Originally posted by ILS
I think it is very close, but in the absence of a truly convincing argument, I'll be in Savage's corner.

Arguments are being provided; you are not paying much attention.

Originally posted by ILS
He pulled down the remaining rubble of two buildings which had already been massacred. That's a pathetic feat.

I suppose that you have played SWTOR, right? You should revisit Taris and explore its landscape (if you haven't so far). You will notice a number of buildings that were damaged but largely intact. Some were still in good shape. Here is a glimpse:

Taris bombing event is counted among the most intense and destructive in the mythos. I don't think that Aldeeran was bombed on a comparable level.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I've already provided the actual definition of burnt, assuming that what was said, that's what was meant.

And putting a bit downward pressure on melted, crumbling supports would sure be enough to collapse a building, face it, he's weak fodder.

See above.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because theres only one definition of anything, gotcha.

There's no indication that anything was melted. The bombardment happened well before this took place and it was obviously intact enough to support it's own substantial weight. You're getting silly now and twisting this to ridiculous extremes beyond anything suggested in the text which you've obviously not even seen.

"His personal shuttle roared low over the scorched landscape. Below him, buildings and bodies smoldered in the ruins of an Alderaani town...

...He saw nothing but charred ruins, rubbled buildings, burnt out vehicles. He pinched the comlink he wore."

lmao

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And like I said, the description for the buildings on the street were "burned-out", not ruined or rubbled. Which has more than 1 meaning, dipshit. The indisputable fact is that they were intact enough to be standing tall enough to collapse on Malgus in the middle of the street.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Neph, there's several pictures of the Temple in that thread alone. If you can't use common sense, which I don't doubt, there's no point in discussing it.

I'm sorry, are you an architect? I didn't-didn't know that you c-could tell the structural integrity of a building just from looking at it. That's impressive. I'm impressed. Um, you're wrong but uh, good try.

Inb4 a smouldering, charred, rubbled building means intact and with cosmetic damage.

We can see whats likely this town in the freaking trailer. The buildings are still standing pretty damn tall bro. 🙂

They're also strong enough to not be damaged when Malgus smashes massive chunks of rubble into them.

Your not seriously implying this mook Jedi collapsed one of those skyscapers. 😬

Proof?

Why wouldn't it be that? It's close to where we know Malgus was and matches the description. I don't see why Malgus would have traveled very far. And that's just what Alderaan buildings look like, they're very tall even in Swtor iirc. At the very least it shows us what to expect.

Because they are colossal and weigh much more than the several tons Malgus is described as buried under? And yes lots of buildings in Alderaan are tall, but many are not:

http://corellianrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/alderaan1.jpg

Heck in that very trailer you can see many smaller buildings besides the skyscrapers.

And like I said, the description for the buildings on the street were "burned-out", not ruined or rubbled. Which has more than 1 meaning, dipshit. The indisputable fact is that they were intact enough to be standing tall enough to collapse on Malgus in the middle of the street.

But you are right, they are also described as burned out, which has one clear definition. As do smouldering and rubbled. So I'm baffled why this is still a debate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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And like I said, the description for the buildings on the street were "burned-out", not ruined or rubbled. Which has more than 1 meaning, dipshit. The indisputable fact is that they were intact enough to be standing tall enough to collapse on Malgus in the middle of the street.

I'm sorry, are you an architect? I didn't-didn't know that you c-could tell the structural integrity of a building just from looking at it. That's impressive. I'm impressed. Um, you're wrong but uh, good try.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because they are colossal and weigh much more than the several tons Malgus is described as buried under? And yes lots of buildings in Alderaan are tall, but many are not:

http://corellianrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/alderaan1.jpg

Heck in that very trailer you can see many smaller buildings besides the skyscrapers.

Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breathing more difficult. He coughed as the words of his father echoed in his mind.

He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power.

Taken from The Third Lesson

Those buildings were large enough to leave a mountain of rubble on the ground after their collapse, and some part of the rubble fell over Darth Malgus. The remainder surrounded him. Therefore:

A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged.

Taken from The Third Lesson

Looking at said quote, it seemed the Jedi used his lightsabers to do it, which given the cutting power of a lightsaber...not sure why this is such an impossible thing?

The Jedi held his ground. At twenty meters, the Jedi raised his lightsabers aloft to either side and drew them both down with a flourish.

Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crashed down on him from either side of the street...

😐

What.

I think Wolf has it right. 🙂

Well from what I gathered, you all were arguing about it and Beni saying it was impossible because he was a mook Jedi. But...it seemed to me from the quote, he used his lightsabers, to cut...the supports or whatever and sending debris raining down.

So....why is this such a big issue?