Originally posted by TheLordofMurderYeah but you said and I quote:
That doesnt disprove my earlier post...It was explained earlier in that story arc that Mephisto wanted a CCU because his powers were more limited outside of his home realm; the CCU would allow his to bypass those limitations...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
This fact is the only thing keeping Marvel Earth from falling to Mephisto, otherwise nothing short of Franklin Richards is stopping him...
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Yeah but you said and I quote:
If Mephisto wanted to kill the hero's/villians on Marvel Earth (without caring about acquiring his victims soul), outside of Franklin, who is stopping him?
I'm on my phone, and so cant provide the scan, but Mephisto already crushed Surfer effortlessly...the only thing that kept Mephisto from killing him was the fact that killing Surfer would deny Mephisto Surfer's soul forever...its all on panel (it occurred during the arc where Mephisto fought Galactus).
I'll post it tomorrow...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
If Mephisto wanted to kill the hero's/villians on Marvel Earth (without caring about acquiring his victims soul), outside of Franklin, who is stopping him?I'm on my phone, and so cant provide the scan, but Mephisto already crushed Surfer effortlessly...the only thing that kept Mephisto from killing him was the fact that killing Surfer would deny Mephisto Surfer's soul forever...its all on panel (it occurred during the arc where Mephisto fought Galactus).
I'll post it tomorrow...
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Well Mephisto has fallen a lo g ways then.thanos effortlessly punked him not that long ago and Thor has done just fine in Mephistos very own realm. Its sad how Marvel treats its gods amd devils amd powerhouses sometimes.
But you gotta remember a fight against Mephisto is unique as its never his goal to kill you; he always holds his power in check because of this...
If he unleashes his full power on someone and kills them then he is denied your soul forever...
Your soul is so valuable to Mephisto that he'd rather allow himself to be defeated and maintain a chance at acquiring your soul at some future date than "win" and be denied your soul forever...
I vividly remember his encounter with Thor, Strange and Doom, and Surfer and its the same restriction as above...
Thats a big reason why Mephisto wanted that CCU...
Juggernaut, Electro, Baron Mordo, Absorbing man, Titania, Abomination, Dr. Doom, Rhino, Doc Oc, Ultron, Wrecker, Kang, Blastar, Graviton, Crimsom Dynamo, The Wizard, Claw, and so on
Lots of A lister carrying a portion of the Beyonder's power with worthy feats and not a bunch of amped D listers with out worthy feats.
All of them caried a portion of the Beyonder's power stored in the Beyondersbane (a machine created by Mephisto to store the inmense energy used by the Beyonder to destroy Death in the previous chapter) so when they touched the Beyonder it will cause a feed back and destroy the Beyonder.
They just needed to touch the Beyonder and then it was game over, yet Ben Grimm stopped all of them.
Yeah WBH is not wining this one.
Originally posted by Stoic
Did anyone notice that Ben felt pain when he was hit by the Rhino? WB Hulk didn't feel pain when Wendigo, Arm'Cheddon, and Bi-Beast struck him in tandem. Shows which one of these guys would win, and which one loses.
That's not the best argument.
An ant can bite me and I can go "oowwww" or say nothing at all yet still means nothing.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That's not the best argument.An ant can bite me and I can go "oowwww" or say nothing at all yet still means nothing.
A bad argument is claiming that a portion of Mephisto's power would be enough to defeat WB Hulk, as well as a portion of the Beyonder's power. This is the exact same guy that said that the Hulk at a far weaker level had no finite element within him. Ben saying owww is a clear indicator that WB Hulk is the stronger and tougher of the two. Let's also not try to claim that all of those villains are A listers. The Rhino is now an A lister?
Originally posted by Stoic
A bad argument is claiming that a portion of Mephisto's power would be enough to defeat WB Hulk, as well as a portion of the Beyonder's power. This is the exact same guy that said that the Hulk at a far weaker level had no finite element within him. Ben saying owww is a clear indicator that WB Hulk is the stronger and tougher of the two. Let's also not try to claim that all of those villains are A listers. The Rhino is now an A lister?
Ooowww means nothing.
And Rhino is as A lister as Armacheddon, bi-beast or Wendigo?
They are all pale to Dr. Doom, Ultron, Kang, Graviton and the worth mentioned of that list which btw had a portion of the beyonders power.
Anyway is an opinion forum and I know I won't change yours when it comes to Hulk
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ooowww means nothing.And Rhino is as A lister as Armacheddon, bi-beast or Wendigo?
They are all pale to Dr. Doom, Ultron, Kang, Graviton and the worth mentioned of that list which btw had a portion of the beyonders power.
Anyway is an opinion forum and I know I won't change yours when it comes to Hulk
Any 3 of those guys would beat the life out of the Rhino. In order for your claim to be valid, we would have to gauge which one of these guys were portrayed to be stronger, tougher, and more dominant. None of the characters that you mention would hurt WB Hulk cutting loose. However, the Rhino was able to hurt the Thing. This is something that you can choose to ignore or accept. It's right there on panel when Ben says owww. WB Hulk didn't even register the attacks that guys far superior to the Rhino put out when they were punching him. Bi-Beast took on Merged Hulk and the She Hulk combined, and they were worried that they might not have been able to stop him.
Merged Hulk is the same guy that took on X-Factor and was gloating about how they couldn't stop him. He made Guido look like a 10 pound weakling, and Merged Hulk was nothing compared to WB Hulk. So yes, in this particular case an OWWW can be used as strong evidence. You have no evidence to use against WB Hulk to make a claim that this version of the Thing would do more than be torn apart. Where are his low showings at?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Like I saidOpinion forum and when it comes to the Hulk I hardly see anyone changing your mind.
I am too tired to research and refute any of your points so we leave it at that.
Maybe in the future
You aren't going to find any low showings based on context. At a far weaker state before that era of Hulk even went into the Dark Dimension, he was able to survive being hit in the intestines by a being named Hope capable of hitting with the force of Hercules X 133.5. This has nothing to do with favoritism so let's not go that route, it has to do with power gauging. If I thought that this version of the Thing could defeat WB Hulk I'd say so. For the record I believe that OWAW Superman would beat this version of the Thing with ease as well.
Just because you throw a bunch of weaklings with a good track record against other weaklings, doesn't mean that they could take on the big dogs.
Originally posted by Stoic
You aren't going to find any low showings based on context. At a far weaker state before that era of Hulk even went into the Dark Dimension, he was able to survive being hit in the intestines by a being named Hope capable of hitting with the force of Hercules X 133.5. This has nothing to do with favoritism so let's not go that route, it has to do with power gauging. If I thought that this version of the Thing could defeat WB Hulk I'd say so. For the record I believe that OWAW Superman would beat this version of the Thing with ease as well.Just because you throw a bunch of weaklings with a good track record against other weaklings, doesn't mean that they could take on the big dogs.
Ok for the record I don't believe OWAW Superman (not sundipped) could beat this version of the thing.
So we leave it at that.