All Fathers Are Equal

Skyfather. For years we've used this term to describe both power level and position in regards to figure heads of heavenly pantheons. But what does it mean? Are all sky daddies equal? Is Vishnu and Osiris up there with Darkseid? Is Zeus (despite lack of feats) truly Odins equal? We know that celestials arent all viewed as equals but in regards to "gods" i hear the opposite.

Oh and because I know someone will bicht about this being a vs thread.

Zeus
Osiris
Ares (DC)
Odin
Vishnu
Darkseid (pre-boot)
Highfather
King Thor
Shiva
Brahma...no holds barred fight. Neutral dimension

NO. Thank you. This needed to be done..Skyfather is just the term of the head of a pantheon. The God Butcher arc explained it best. It does not mean power. Gorr killed thousands of skyfathers when he was still at an average Thor level. If the skyfather in question is the God of Chicken****ing or whatever, just because he is a skyfather does not mean he is that powerful..

Im going tobleave Darkseid out of your list forbright now though.

Odin should be the epitomy of whatever tier this is called.

To me, Odin should be like low abstract. He can fight Galactus to a point. Wait, better to say that he can survive Galactus. I consider Zeus Odins oeer but not as powerful.

To me, Odin should be unbeatable by likes of Thor/Supes/Hulk etc. But not unhurtable if that makes sense.

Like if Supes flew from across universe and just caught Odin unawares on the jaw it should hurt him pretty badly but not be lethal. I dont think anybody that can fight galactus should even be killable by physical means.

skyfather= galaxy level scale and influence, reasonably above trans guys like thanos, but still below abstracts like galactus. thats the general consensus around most comicbook debate forums. odin is the premier skyfather and we judge all other skyfather level characters based on his level. if you arent atleast small galaxy level then youre not skyfather, that term gets thrown around too much around here. skyfather can refer to a level of power or a position. most are talking about a level of power and not the position part.

Get Philosophia in here, he doesent like the term skyfather either.

No...Skyfather= Head of a pantheon, its a title, not a power level. And just remembered something about Odin. He had actually absorbed two of his brothers I believe and he should be considered slightly out of zeus weight class.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
No...Skyfather= Head of a pantheon, its a title, not a power level.

youre wrong and youre right, go on any other forum and ask what skyfather means and theyll tell you its galaxy level. when we refer to skyfather level thats what were talking about

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/sky-father/4015-55735/

http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/131-skyfather

when were talking about characters power level, were not talking about titles, were talking about power.

the term skyfather in terms of power is based around odin, what is odins power level? galaxy level.

galaxy level? 😆 forums are becoming (have become?) jokes..... for my part, i don't think i've ever heard that term applied in the way it's being applied here. wtf is it even supposed to mean? can a 'skyfather' influence something the size of a galaxy? can he blast and destroy an entire galaxy?? that's like, the stupidest thing i've heard in a while. and if other forums have adapted that type of delineation, they're even bigger idiots than some of the people we have frequenting this forum from time to time....

skyfather definition is simple--head of a pantheon. but not all heads of pantheons are equal, because not all pantheons are equal. this....isn't f***** brain surgery. 😐

Zeus did hurt Galactus with punches, and he did so while at human size, and easily ko'd him with lightning.

Since we seem to be judging Odin's level by his relation to Galactus, I would rate Zeus' showing against Galactus above Odin's, which lead to a double headbutt ko that Galactus recovered from first.

Now, Chaos King was controlling Zeus at the time, but according to Pak, you can't take the feat away from Zeus because that was him at full power. So basically Zeus was just a meat puppet for Chaos King, and it was still his own power he was demonstrating, not Chaos King's.

I'm not saying Zeus' is above Odin obviously, Galactus is often variable and we have no idea exactly how their power-levels compared in their respective scenes, I'm just saying I think its wrong to rate Zeus as below Odin in the skyfather hierarchy, I put them on the same footing.

Hell, in this little argument they had:

Zeus was confident enough to engage Odin bare-handed, while Odin had a staff.

Originally posted by leonidas
galaxy level? 😆 forums are becoming (have become?) jokes..... for my part, i don't think i've ever heard that term applied in the way it's being applied here. wtf is it even supposed to mean? can a 'skyfather' influence something the size of a galaxy? can he blast and destroy an entire galaxy?? that's like, the stupidest thing i've heard in a while. and if other forums have adapted that type of delineation, they're even bigger idiots than some of the people we have frequenting this forum from time to time....

skyfather definition is simple--head of a pantheon. but not all heads of pantheons are equal, because not all pantheons are equal. this....isn't f***** brain surgery. 😐

read the links i posted, instead of insulting and throwing around what you think is stupid, maybe you should study up, since you just admitted you've never heard that term used that way before. odin is the premier skyfather correct? what level is odin? generally galaxy level. we use the term as a power level, the links i posted show that. next time dont be a condescending *******

Superman>Skyfather

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman>Skyfather

Superman>logic and reason. Just with a billion more >'s.

Originally posted by ghostman
read the links i posted, instead of insulting and throwing around what [B]you think is stupid, maybe you should study up, since you just admitted you've never heard that term used that way before. odin is the premier skyfather correct? what level is odin? generally galaxy level. we use the term as a power level, the links i posted show that. next time dont be a condescending ******* [/B]

😂

when i read something stupid, i condescend. when i read something i find itself to be condescending, i condescend. acting like you, or wherever you got your info from, is some sort of 'wellspring of irrefutable knowledge' is pretty damn ridiculous--and condescending. telling someone they are both right and wrong like you're the authority on this subject is also condescending.

but yeah, i was condescending. 👆

please though, go ahead and enlighten me and the rest of the forum and define 'galaxy level' powa! and its meaning.

as far as odin being premiere in that 'tier'? unknown, since he's never had a full on battle with zeus, so even that assumption may be faulty. we know zelia took down odin pretty easily at one point, so maybe she should have been considered the top? who knows. the definition of 'skyfather' is one thor himself has used in comics, on panel, when meeting other pantheon heads. so it isn't really open for interpretation.

When I think of a Skyfather, I really only think of it from a power POV--not necessarily status. ie. a Skyfather is > trans, but < abstract.

Originally posted by Galan007
When I think of a Skyfather, I really only think of it from a power POV--not necessarily status. ie. a Skyfather is > trans, but < abstract.

Pretty much.

I think the Odin/Thanos/Surfer dynamic mostly covers the relation between tiers, in general, though not all confrontations will be like that. High-heralds can sometimes give skyfathers a fight [i.e. see Jane Thor vs Odin, Power Girl vs Darkseid etc.] and not look that far behind.

*Throws hook*
Also funnily enough, Superman by himself also covers the tiers.

The KMC version of Superman covers the tiers yes this is correct.

pretty much exactly the way it has always been looked at.... 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
pretty much exactly the way it has always been looked at.... 👆

All this 'galaxy' bullshit reminds me of Black Holes being used as durability feats. It's not like we're tier-ing top tiers on who has survived black holes and who hasn't.

@phil: seriously, the whole idea of using terms like that to define power levels is..crazy sh!t.

Superman's tier is 'Powerful as he needs to be' tier.

Also known as Ultimate Hero tier, which he alone occupies.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman's tier is 'Powerful as he needs to be' tier.

Also known as Ultimate Hero tier, which he alone occupies.

I don't know sometimes Batman gets very very close to that same tier.