Originally posted by CosmicComet
Once again, Zeus was not amped, or at least not substantially so according to Pak.Pak said that was simply Zeus operating at full power there. Chaos King made him go all out.
Zeus was just a meat suit, still operating under his own limits.
i read that as well. 👆
problem is, an undefined amp, is still an amp, so most are wary about using it as a feat for zeus.
as for odin and zeus being greater than the others: not so sure. i think vishnu is typically considered an equal to them as well, and i think, IN GENERAL (those feats may at times say otherwise) the elder gods are beyond the skyfathers and some of the lower cosmics.
Originally posted by Galan007edited true
As is the case with Skyfathers: when I think of characters in the abstract tier, I think of their power--not necessarily their role/status. And by that definition, Galactus is in the abstract tier of power, on average.I mean, LT isn't technically an abstract being either--though I still group him in that tier... Albeit at the upper-end of it. 😛
Originally posted by leonidas
i read that as well. 👆problem is, an undefined amp, is still an amp, so most are wary about using it as a feat for zeus.
as for odin and zeus being greater than the others: not so sure. i think vishnu is typically considered an equal to them as well, and i think, IN GENERAL (those feats may at times say otherwise) the elder gods are beyond the skyfathers and some of the lower cosmics.
Either u or CC gotta link to Paks comments?
Originally posted by leonidas👆
oh, i wasn't arguing galactus in that company at all--power-wise for sure he should be with the big boys--most of the time. 👆 and you're right about lt--he's another puzzle. i thought lt was said to have represented judgement at one point, across the mutliverse. but not sure he is the literal embodiment or not. i think i had this discussion once with mrm. trying to ferret out of the nature of lt and whether he was a true abstract or not. i guess now that i think about it, there are several that fit the non-abstract-abstract category: abraxas, shaper of worlds, phoenix, maybe eon? hell, even mephisto has been alluded to representing the concept of evil, but he's not an abstract in the technical sense. those are just off the top of my head. probably lots of others in there as well.... differentiating between 'tiers' is trick at best. not sure where the realm of 'skyfather' would give way to 'abstract' if that's how one wants to look at it. you'd need someone just beyond odin i guess. uatu maybe? i think abstract is the wrong term. maybe a 'cosmic' tier or, 'higher order cosmic'? shrug
Tbh, I think any powers beyond Odin would fall under the 'abstract' tier by default. After all, there really doesn't seem to be *that* large of a gap between an average Galactus and Odin. Galactus is more powerful in the end, but Odin is definitely capable of making him work his cosmic ass off for the win.
Originally posted by Sin I AMCool. 👆
Mis-post. Was quoting u and leo at the same time
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Either u or CC gotta link to Paks comments?
Took awhile to find it again for some reason.
http://www.newsarama.com/6493-chaos-war-from-the-field-4-with-pak-van-lente.html
Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3, was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”
Van Lente: Greg?
Pak: I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely is being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.
At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.
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So at best, it makes it sounds like Mikaboshi's 'amp' came in the form of making Zeus unleash his true power.
At best, it sounds like the difference between a clean athlete, and the same athlete on steroids.
Basically Zeus' punches would have hurt Galactus either way, and his lightning would have hurt him either way.
Unless I am mistaken,a skyfather level is one who can operate at small galaxy level at least?
Zeus has been stated to be odin's equal though,as for their feats against galactus
Galactus was also hungry throughout the chaos king arc,so that dosent really mean much,and galactus was back up the next page or two. As for odin giving galan a fight,he got KO'd when he himself rammed into galactus,galactus was briefly stunned,but was unhurt,odin had to go to the odin sleep,galactus didn't even use any cosmic attack iirc. This is a hungry galactus for a potentially amped zeus and a galactus who fed on a dead planet for odin.
Galactus was hungry in the Chaos King showing, but Zeus' showing was also MUCH better than Odin's showing against Galactus, so it evens out in the end. It's not like the Galactus that Odin fought was fully sated either. Odin ko'd himself and ko'd Galactus as well. They were both knocked out and fell to Earth out of orbit. Galactus recovered first, so he technically beat Odin, whereas he lost to a slightly amped Zeus with ease.
Odin was also at his Giant size. Whereas Zeus' punches were at human sizes, and they were still rocking Galactus, made his face twisted.
Even still, one writer's hungry Galactus can be more powerful than another writer's fed Galactus.
Pak's Galactus, even though hungry, reckoned Zeus' was hurting him easier than any skyfather should be able to. So if Pak replaced Odin with Zeus in that scene, he would have done no better than Zeus did.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Took awhile to find it again for some reason.http://www.newsarama.com/6493-chaos-war-from-the-field-4-with-pak-van-lente.html
Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3, was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”
Van Lente: Greg?
Pak: I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely is being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.
At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.
--------So at best, it makes it sounds like Mikaboshi's 'amp' came in the form of making Zeus unleash his true power.
At best, it sounds like the difference between a clean athlete, and the same athlete on steroids.
Basically Zeus' punches would have hurt Galactus either way, and his lightning would have hurt him either way.
That's tricky ground you're walking on though. All things considered i view an amp as an amp. Otherwise u open debates up for h1 level statistics
Originally posted by CosmicCometlol at Pak's Galactus being anything worth mentioning, even possibly higher than another writer's fed Galactus. Most of Galactus' low showings have come from Pak since the last decade.
Galactus was hungry in the Chaos King showing, but Zeus' showing was also MUCH better than Odin's showing against Galactus, so it evens out in the end. It's not like the Galactus that Odin fought was fully sated either. Odin ko'd himself and ko'd Galactus as well. They were both knocked out and fell to Earth out of orbit. Galactus recovered first, so he technically beat Odin, whereas he lost to a slightly amped Zeus with ease.Odin was also at his Giant size. Whereas Zeus' punches were at human sizes, and they were still rocking Galactus, made his face twisted.
Even still, one writer's hungry Galactus can be more powerful than another writer's fed Galactus.
Pak's Galactus, even though hungry, reckoned Zeus' was hurting him easier than any skyfather should be able to. So if Pak replaced Odin with Zeus in that scene, he would have done no better than Zeus did.
The guy wrote an amped Zeus beating a hungry Galactus and then backtracked and forgot he put Chaos King and his entire army inside Zeus, yet he was only taking a "small amp"? Why would he even be amped at all if we follow Pak's logic and why would it be small?
Even still, Galactus cracked Zeus. Literally cracked him to a point where a dive from Herc peeled the rest of his shell off. That's not something normal Zeus withstands. Being a fully functional cracked being.
Originally posted by One Big MobIf it wasn't a small amp, chaos king would of killed Galactus with a single blast.
lol at Pak's Galactus being anything worth mentioning, even possibly higher than another writer's fed Galactus. Most of Galactus' low showings have come from Pak since the last decade.The guy wrote an amped Zeus beating a hungry Galactus and then backtracked and forgot he put Chaos King and his entire army inside Zeus, yet he was only taking a "small amp"? Why would he even be amped at all if we follow Pak's logic and why would it be small?
Even still, Galactus cracked Zeus. Literally cracked him to a point where a dive from Herc peeled the rest of his shell off. That's not something normal Zeus withstands. Being a fully functional cracked being.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRockGood point
If it wasn't a small amp, chaos king would of killed Galactus with a single blast.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRockI don't even understand what that scan is supposed to prove. Not only is Galactus resisting him and not dying but he further drained himself opening up an "infinite" tunnel to a bubble universe for a lengthy period of time.
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/goku-vs-superman-vs-naruto-vs-ichigo-vs-luffy-vs-hst-vs-dragon-ball-z-vs-bleach-x-35492.jpg
Plus in both sets Chaos King was heavily amped past when he was inside Zeus.
