Originally posted by zopzop
True he couldn't stop it from going back to THor but Thor was amazed he could even halt it for an instant :For comparison's sake, look at how Mephisto deals with Mjolnir :
Even if, as some Thor fans have argued, Mephisto is a liar and him slagging and recreating Mjolnir was an illusion. How do you explain him holding the hammer? Thor threw the hammer it hits Mephisto and it DOES NOT return to Thor's hand until after Mephisto lets go of it. They had an entire conversation and Mjolnir wasn't back in Thor's hand until Mephisto threw it back.
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Mephisto is far more powerful than many realize...
His desire get souls (which he would not obtain if going all out on people and killing them utterly) is the only thing that keeps him from completely owning 99.9% of the characters on Marvel Earth...
Re: All Fathers Are Equal
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Skyfather. For years we've used this term to describe both power level and position in regards to figure heads of heavenly pantheons. But what does it mean? Are all sky daddies equal? Is Vishnu and Osiris up there with Darkseid? Is Zeus (despite lack of feats) truly Odins equal? We know that celestials arent all viewed as equals but in regards to "gods" i hear the opposite.Oh and because I know someone will bicht about this being a vs thread.
Zeus
Osiris
Ares (DC)
Odin
Vishnu
Darkseid (pre-boot)
Highfather
King Thor
Shiva
Brahma...no holds barred fight. Neutral dimension
Excellent thread idea btw Sin I Am! 🙂
I havent read everything here, but will do so at some point...
Anyway, my 2 cents...
All Skyfathers are not created equal; IMHO, the tier should be divided into Low, Mid, and High...
What gets you into the tier are (again, in my minds eye):
1) Feats of raw power beyond what you expect to see from Trans Tier characters...
2) Consistent portrayals depicting one of being of Skyfather status (this gets Zeus in [imo] due to consistently being depicted as a peer to Odin; it also gets Vishnu from Thor 300 in despite being virtually featless)...
3) Being portrayed as being superior to either Thanos or Grandmaster (both of whom I'd place at the top of Trans or the very bottom of Skyfather)...
Meeting atleast 1 of those 3 gets you into the Skyfather tier as far as I'm concerned...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So how did Mephisto get around Mjolnir not returning to Thors hand until Mephisto let go of it?
It's Mephisto overpowering the 'return to Thor' and 'worthiness' enchantments that's so damn impressive. He stopped the hammer from returning to Thor AND he held it despite OBVIOUSLY being unworthy.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. That's what makes the Mephisto feat so impressive. People get hung up on Mephisto slagging Mjolnir. That's nice, but Mjolnir's been destroyed/damaged many times before.It's Mephisto overpowering the 'return to Thor' and 'worthiness' enchantments that's so damn impressive. He stopped the hammer from returning to Thor AND he held it despite OBVIOUSLY being unworthy.
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Re: Re: All Fathers Are Equal
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Excellent thread idea btw Sin I Am! 🙂I havent read everything here, but will do so at some point...
Anyway, my 2 cents...
All Skyfathers are not created equal; IMHO, the tier should be divided into Low, Mid, and High...
What gets you into the tier are (again, in my minds eye):
1) [b]Consistent
feats of raw power beyond what you expect to see from Trans Tier characters...2) Consistent portrayals depicting one of being of Skyfather status (this gets Zeus in [imo] due to consistently being depicted as a peer to Odin; it also gets Vishnu from Thor 300 in despite being virtually featless)...
3) Being portrayed as being superior to either Thanos or Grandmaster (both of whom I'd place at the top of Trans or the very bottom of Skyfather)...
Meeting atleast 1 of those 3 gets you into the Skyfather tier as far as I'm concerned... [/B]
Fixed my own post; first word of bullet point #1 modified...
Originally posted by Sin I AMNever been confirmed. The only thing that gets pointed to is an illusion being shown to Thor in a seperate instance in that story.
Thx lomIirc wasnt that whole slagging of mjolnir a dream or illusion
So some Thor fans came to the conclusion that the story was made of illusions.
Originally posted by zopzop
What's Marvel's Pluto done?
He once defeated The Stranger when they fought in Hades, although I remember reading or hearing somewhere that there was evidence that Stranger threw the fight on purpose...
He also gotten the upper hand against Thor...
Honestly though, I cant recall him doing a whole lot...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderHe threw it because they were too evenly matched iirc. Both kept drawing on infinite power.
He once defeated The Stranger when they fought in Hades, although I remember reading or hearing somewhere that there was evidence that Stranger threw the fight on purpose...He also gotten the upper hand against Thor...
Honestly though, I cant recall him doing a whole lot...
It depends how you view it, but in any case it's still a really good feat for Pluto.
Originally posted by zopzop
Mephiso, yes. He's even one shotted a high herald outside his realm.What's Marvel's Pluto done? I'm genuinely curious.
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans7/MTIOAnn5_StrangerVsPluto.JPG
I don't have the entire fight tho.
In his realm,created a nether hole,which according to stranger,was soon about to collapse the universe,and then some(same issue where he beat the stranger,that's why the stranger came to his realm with hulk and the thing)
one shotted the defenders(surfer,hulk,namor,classic strange etc,3HH levels) outside his realm,one shotted classic strange in a magical contest(strange tried to use the eye of agamotto to beat him)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/plutohades2.jpg
Also out of his realm.
, went into asgard to claim odin's soul (odin died) took down everyone(including thor) even with help from the fates,casually beat hela(in that same issue),they only drove him away when hela resurrected odin. (He physically dominated thor here as well)
During the trial of zeus in hades,he created a shade of hercules,which went toe to toe with the real one
He can also summon all deceased people in this realm to fight for him,even skyathers(he summoned zeus among others) during the chaos king era.
He and mephisto repelled dorammamu iirc
