All Fathers Are Equal

Originally posted by krisblaze
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At any rate, a hero being as strong as he needs to be is not an attribute that only Superman has. Like you said, both Spider-man and Hulk do this all the time.

Yes, I agree, but there are a handful few who actually go thorugh the tiers without bullshits and tricks and only on raw power.

It helps that Superman and Spiderman are the poster-boys for holding back, while Hulk is simply built into his powerset.

Originally posted by Philosophía
No, it's not.

Superman beats skyfathers [Darkseid] under his own power, without extenuating circumstances (i.e. amp, favorable environment etc.). He does this frequently.

Superman beats trans on his own [Despero, even going as far as one-shotting him] under his own power, without extenuating circumstances (i.e. amp, favorable environment etc.). He does this frequently.

The rest of the characters, don't.
The thing is, he isn't portrayed as being outclassed when he moves up tiers. Surfer? Thor? They always are. They're always fighting an uphill battle. Sometimes they manage to be put in a position where they can plot device their way out [i.e. Crunch energies, prayers etc], but they're never portrayed as actually superior to skyfathers.

Superman is.
He needs no special circumstances, tricks or bullshits. He straight up overpowers them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Simply untrue. Surfer, Thor, Wonderwoman, Hulk, etc. do so. Characters are inconsistent in comics so quit trying to make it fall into line with your perspective. It doesn't. Superman is like the rest despite yout insistence to say otherwise.

You lower the intelligence of this forum with every post.

Show me comprable instances of: Surfer, Thor, Wonder Woman, and Hulk having comprable showings going up the tiers UNAMPED like Superman.

You can't because the canon won't support your stupidity but I'll wait.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You lower the intelligence of this forum with every post.

Show me comprable instances of: Surfer, Thor, Wonder Woman, and Hulk having comprable showings going up the tiers UNAMPED like Superman.

You can't because the canon won't support your stupidity but I'll wait.

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Thor's beaten Pluto, Mephisto, Shiva and Hel.

Originally posted by krisblaze
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Thor's beaten Pluto, Mephisto, Shiva and Hel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Hela lost to freaking DARWIN. She jobs a lot. Same with Pluto, he couldn't even handle Enchantress' sister Lorillei (or however you spell her name). Thor beat Shiva because Shiva was WEAKENED in Asgard. Mephisto is a known liar, his 'loss' to Thor is suspect. This is the same guy that caught Mjolnir, slagged it, then recreated it and threw it back at Thor.

While I am the KING OF CANON your knowledge NEARLY matches mine!

Originally posted by zopzop
Hela lost to freaking DARWIN. She jobs a lot. Same with Pluto, he couldn't even handle Enchantress' sister Lorillei (or however you spell her name). Thor beat Shiva because Shiva was WEAKENED in Asgard. Mephisto is a known liar, his 'loss' to Thor is suspect. This is the same guy that caught Mjolnir, slagged it, then recreated it and threw it back at Thor.

He didn't even beat Shiva, it was retconned into being Indra, a lesser God, disguised as Shiva.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He didn't even beat Shiva, it was retconned into being Indra, a lesser God, disguised as Shiva.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
While I am the KING OF CANON your knowledge NEARLY matches mine!

Originally posted by zopzop
Hela lost to freaking DARWIN. She jobs a lot. Same with Pluto, he couldn't even handle Enchantress' sister Lorillei (or however you spell her name). Thor beat Shiva because Shiva was WEAKENED in Asgard. Mephisto is a known liar, his 'loss' to Thor is suspect. This is the same guy that caught Mjolnir, slagged it, then recreated it and threw it back at Thor.

Within the context of those stories it was clearly a case of Thor swinging out of his paygrade.

Their subsequent jobbing under different writers doesn't somehow mean Thor's not consistently beating people above him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
We?

Come on Sin. It's obvious why you made this thread. To lessen Zeus tier and to make Hulk showing against Zeus look far worse. It's ok, everyone has a character they do like this.. yours is Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Come on Sin. It's obvious why you made this thread. To lessen Zeus tier and to make Hulk showing against Zeus look far worse. It's ok, everyone has a character they do like this.. yours is Hulk.

Y must you come for me? It's bad enough i have people in here arguing Superman. Now you wanna jump on hulks dick? Noone gives a flying phuck about hulk carver. He hasnt had a decent arc since planet hulk.

I made this thread because Zeus Vishnu Osiris Yu-Huang Shiva etc have relatively little to no feats in comparison to Odin (who himself has few). So my question is how do you rank them accordingly. Im NOT rao..I'm not saint...my e dick doesnt get hard when your virgin pussy ass waltzes in a thread prime for phuckin.. with a thousand and one scans and zero common phuckin sense. I could care less..because being a fumb ass is your thing. You get off on getting told how phucking stupid you are...now contribute with knowledge or go argue 133 hercs or some shit

Originally posted by zopzop
Hela lost to freaking DARWIN. She jobs a lot. Same with Pluto, he couldn't even handle Enchantress' sister Lorillei (or however you spell her name). Thor beat Shiva because Shiva was WEAKENED in Asgard. Mephisto is a known liar, his 'loss' to Thor is suspect. This is the same guy that caught Mjolnir, slagged it, then recreated it and threw it back at Thor.

He didnt beat shiva. And Iirc marvel stopped putting the hindu gods in matches after that because of religious outcry

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So where would you place "skyfathers" in general? Should for example Zeus be considered his equal despite his lack of feats? Someone mentioned CK controlling him and him knocking Galactus on his ass but iirc and correct me if Im wrong Zeus was amped. Other than a few godhead council meetings and a minor confrontation he had with Odin i dont really have much to go on. People use the owning of Hulk as a bench mark but plenty of trans tiers should be able to replicate said feat. Same could be said of elder gods..some cosmics etc

I like you sin, that's why I come at you with posts like this. You're entertaining to debate with, even during your rage fits. The post above is the reason I questioned you. I'm not saying it's fact what I said about you but this post is suspect. Doesn't matter, Zeus and Odin are equals along with a lot of other skyfathers.

And thor only beat pluto in the Blood nd thunder arc with a fair amount of PIS,pluto soloed asgard himself once

Originally posted by carver9
I like you sin, that's why I come at you with posts like this. You're entertaining to debate with, even during your rage fits. The post above is the reason I questioned you. I'm not saying it's fact what I said about you but this post is suspect. Doesn't matter, Zeus and Odin are equals along with a lot of other skyfathers.

God you are annoying. Look lets put it in terms you might understand. Savage, Mindless, Green Scar, Professor, Fixit are all personalities of Banner. Now we all know their strength and weaknesses. They are not one and the same although they're technically the same "hulk". Now take Devil Hulk. We havent seen Banner transform into this incarnation yet. Is it safe to assume he starts out at the same power level? Its hinted that he's stronger than all the hulks but it hasnt been shown.

That's what i getting at. At what point do we stop adhering to lip service and what point do we look at actual on panel proof. Im not saying I have to see Brahma shake a galaxy to prove he's Odins equal. But id like to see something...savvy?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You lower the intelligence of this forum with every post.

Show me comprable instances of: Surfer, Thor, Wonder Woman, and Hulk having comprable showings going up the tiers UNAMPED like Superman.

You can't because the canon won't support your stupidity but I'll wait.

technically speaking is rao considered a skyfather....? curious where some would place him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y must you come for me? It's bad enough i have people in here arguing Superman. Now you wanna jump on hulks dick? Noone gives a flying phuck about hulk carver. He hasnt had a decent arc since planet hulk.

I made this thread because Zeus Vishnu Osiris Yu-Huang Shiva etc have relatively little to no feats in comparison to Odin (who himself has few). So my question is how do you rank them accordingly. Im NOT rao..I'm not saint...my e dick doesnt get hard when your virgin pussy ass waltzes in a thread prime for phuckin.. with a thousand and one scans and zero common phuckin sense. I could care less..because being a fumb ass is your thing. You get off on getting told how phucking stupid you are...now contribute with knowledge or go argue 133 hercs or some shit

Don't you think you could've used some lube? Savage.

Originally posted by zopzop
Hela lost to freaking DARWIN. She jobs a lot. Same with Pluto, he couldn't even handle Enchantress' sister Lorillei (or however you spell her name). Thor beat Shiva because Shiva was WEAKENED in Asgard. Mephisto is a known liar, his 'loss' to Thor is suspect. This is the same guy that caught Mjolnir, slagged it, then recreated it and threw it back at Thor.

Since Thor is much more powerful then Darwin then Hela jobbing to Darwin doesn't actually mean she jobbed to Thor.

I also can't help but notice people try to go out of their way to dismiss feats of Thor beating powerful beings..but if someone does the same for Superman it's like it is a mortal sin.

Originally posted by Surtur
Since Thor is much more powerful then Darwin then Hela jobbing to Darwin doesn't actually mean she jobbed to Thor.

I also can't help but notice people try to go out of their way to dismiss feats of Thor beating powerful beings..but if someone does the same for Superman it's like it is a mortal sin.

Isnt that a high outlier for darwin though? I wouldn't place that as norm