Originally posted by StiltmanFTWOrson was the best villain in the entire film.
What about Orson scenes? You don't want to talk about those? 😖hifty:
Spoiler:I'm a mother****ing prophet.
The Death Star was his baby not that traitorous cur Tarkin or that effeminate Vader whose body posture in their scene made him look bad.
While I did enjoy the film after the exposition dump in the first half I still feel a bit disappointed with certain key parts.
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Forest Whitaker is completely wasted in the film IMO and I'm didn't feel like the movie really gave me a reason to care about Jyn or the Rogue crew in general even with the tidbits of backstory.
Did enjoy the darker take of the story even if it did feel a bit tame until the end.
Originally posted by ares834
The movie was great. I really enjoyed most of the characters. I'll have to see it a few more times before I can give it a ranking thoughSpoiler:
I wished they didn't use Tarkin as much though. The CGI was distractingly bad.But that Vader scene at the end was pure badassery.
Oh you apologists won't get let off the hook that easy.
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He ultimately failed against shit rebels. He had the plans in the same room by way of that disc and did Vader always does and come up short. These guys were as weak as it gets.
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Originally posted by ares834
The movie was great. I really enjoyed most of the characters. I'll have to see it a few more times before I can give it a ranking thoughSpoiler:
I wished they didn't use Tarkin as much though. The CGI was distractingly bad.But that Vader scene at the end was pure badassery.
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Not as bad as Leia's CGI
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Like I said, this was the Real tribute to the Original Star Wars IMO.
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That may be the biggest problem of this movie: the bloody fan service. They should have spent more time on the characters and character development. All the positives I hear is about the great effects and stuff.
But it's quite shallow. Apart from the Erso family it doesn't have any memorable characters.
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Captain Cassian - boring character. I even had to look up his name, he made no impression at all.The Imperial pilot comes a long way, but I think he was underused.
Saw... completely obsolete, some damn fan service to see a Clone Wars character in a movie... why? We don't need him here, he doesn't do anything.
Chirrut and his mate - they just jump on board, there's no real relationship between them and Jyn and Cassian. Plus his Force thing: they set up this thing that he can see Jyn's necklace, seeing through the Force or something. Or that he can sense she's an okay person. But that ability is just there to make them hop on the band wagon. Those visual and mind sensing abilities are never used.
Jyn's necklace was also pure fan service BTW, served no purpose whatsoever. 'Let's have cyber crystals... because that's so cool.' - It doesn't serve any purpose at all, other than to refer to Jedi (yaaayyy, Star Wars=Jedi!!! Yaaayyyy) and to have a reason to place the obsolete Saw on the cyber crystal mining planet... In other words: it serves an the purpose of exposition that doesn't lead anywhere, it has no narrative purpose. The necklace is just a bloody souvenir.
And what goes for Chirrut and his mate, goes for the whole Rogue One crew: just a bunch chucked together without any real bond that we can witness whatsoever.
And the final scene with Krennic: it can't be more predictable than that, can it? How can these well paid, super experienced people at Lucasfilm sanction a cheap a$$, lazily written climax like that.
I mean, I don't hate it. It's better than the prequels. But it demonstrates how well the characters in TFA were developed. Even though TFA is a lot like ANH, the characters feel fresh and have a real bond. Here we have new characters that are not all very interesting and they don't feel very connected.
Great battle scenes, superb effects... but it feels all rather empty.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
especially with Disney ignoring Billy Williams and not giving him even a cameo in the new trilogy yet...
Yeah that's strange.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What about Orson scenes? You don't want to talk about those? 😖hifty:
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Quan's really out fine himself this time. I might just take him off ignore to rub this in his face.
So Krennic was Snoke right? 😂
Originally posted by queeq
That may be the biggest problem of this movie: the bloody fan service.
This Ironically was my issue with TFA.
The difference here though was it paid tribute to ANH without needing to completely copy it.
Originally posted by queeqBut it's quite shallow. Apart from the Erso family it doesn't have any memorable characters.
Oh come on don't tell me K2SO wasn't memorable..
Difference here was aside from the 2 bad guys at the top who blessed the screen with their mere presence, it didn't have the backing of the OT characters. There was no Han, Chewie, Millenium Falcon or constant mention of Luke to keep our interest here.
And it showed the
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Death Star being the threat that it was. It was a weapon of mass destruction in a War movie where people know they're going to die. And it was sad every time one of the main characters did die. Starkiller Base however had no such effect despite blowing up multiple planets.
Originally posted by queeqGreat battle scenes, superb effects...
Which again is something Star Wars needed to return to after last year IMO.
I'll say this: I was underwhelmed. My initial thoughts are that R1 failed to live up to its potential. Unlike TFA, which lived up to its potential as a ball-less rehash. Shit concept, solid execution. R1, great concept, mediocre execution.
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CGI!Tarkin was awesome and so was Vader's last scene. The first Vader scene was... odd.
The problem with the first Vader scene was the suit. It looked more like a Halloween costume of Vader than Vader himself. I know they were trying to match his look in ANH but they failed miserably. It looked far cheaper and was too polished for his ANH look. Furthermore, the scene was completely unnecessary. Still I enjoyed the scene simply because we
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got to see Vader’s castle on Mustafar!
Originally posted by Darth Thor
So Krennic was Snoke right? 😂
At this point I think we have a clear new frontrunner for Snoke,
Spoiler:. Though I think that is unlikely as well.
Vader’s servant
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou loved this film over TFA and besides Krennic the new characters weren't really all that. It's not a surprise that this empire failed due to their ineptitude.
Yeah that's strange.😂
Quan's really out fine himself this time. I might just take him off ignore to rub this in his face.
So Krennic was Snoke right? 😂
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Vader showed in that scene once again I am correct. He was too slow to get the job done which was to get the Death Star plans. He killed worthless guys. He also showed he wasn't up to the challenge due to his slow mobility. Once again I am proven correct in everything I have stated.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
This Ironically was my issue with TFA.The difference here though was it paid tribute to ANH without needing to completely copy it.
Well yeah, I had problems with that in TFA as well. All the little things. But for some reason RO does it again... and worse in a way.
The Imperial spies on Jehda: same kind of guys as on Tatooine
K2SO: great fun, not always superb bit underused... but... again a DROID for comic relief, like 3PO, R2 and BB8... Come on... there must be more characters in the SW universe that can provide for comic relief. Oh wait... Gungans...
3PO and R2 - come on... there was no need for this. I'd assume they just work on the ship, not in the Rebellion in general.
Kyber Crystal - not really a plot point, the necklace.. all cosmetic fan service.
Saw Gerarra - useless character just in there for Clone Wars fan service...
and the list goes on.... even AFTER TFA. So repeating the sin of TFA is a bigger sin, IMHO. And even with weaker, flatter characters.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Difference here was aside from the 2 bad guys at the top who blessed the screen with their mere presence, it didn't have the backing of the OT characters. There was no Han, Chewie, Millenium Falcon or constant mention of Luke to keep our interest here.
So that is a PLUS, they want to set out of the main SW story, so avoid as much of that as you can. You must, in fact. The MINUS here is that they failed to come up with fresh new characters that I feel invested in. This is where TFA wins, in comparison, by a landslide. I think that is the movie's biggest failure.
The whole story of Jyn could have been much better. She should have taken over Saw's operation for several years after his demise, even using his name as disguise. That would have added much more to her as a conflicted character having to live with the Imperial background of her dad and an Alliance she disagrees with, even only from hearsay from Saw. The whole politician's debate could have refuelled that. Could have worked like a charm and would have asked the main question: what are you fighting for, lost friends and family, the cause... etc. It's a little bit in there, but way too absent to make an impact.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Which again is something Star Wars needed to return to after last year IMO.
True, however. Two things about that: only battle not a great movie make.
And... it made me feel like I have seen this before in stuff like The Thin Red Line or even The Pacific... but... a lot LESS gritty! yes... LESS... No cut off arms, legs, mayhem, chaos, slaughter. It was despite all the exploding sand and stuff kinda clean...
But yeah, prolly the best battle scenes in SW history. But again, SW isn't about battles.