Originally posted by Darth Thor
Imagine people jumping wagon on him over Vader or Tarkin before the film came out thinking he was gonna be bad ass 😂
Well he dies look pretty awesome in that Admiral uniform.
Though Í've always wonder how work on the DS could have stalled to the point where Krennic thought he needed Galen to begin with. Considering the Empire should've had the original plans for decades and Galen admits he wasn't necessary to complete it.
Originally posted by queeq
But why would OB1 be a solution? She doesn't know him and she has to find the guy first on a big sandy planet.
Who knows. Like ANH, R1 leaves this an open ended question. We don’t know what Bail told Leia. All we know is he told her to pick him up. In fact, Kenobi may not even have been a solution, Leia may thought she had escaped the Empire.
Originally posted by queeq
Besides, light speed is light speed. You still need a trajectory if you want to follow someone to his destination. You can't just blindly follow them or you run into a star or bounce off a supernova. And from ESB we learn that Vader wants them to calculate the last known trajectory of the Falcon. So to me, this doesn't make sense at all.
It’s faster than light speed actually, as that Han quote I posted shows. And Vader should have the trajectory of the Tantive IV.
Originally posted by queeq
Wow, thank you for the lesson in SW mythology.
You're welcome, seemed like you needed a refresher. 😉
Originally posted by queeq
That's a lot of conjecture
Which part was conjecture other than the Force possibly playing a hand in guiding towards balance? Because every thing else was a fact, not conjecture...
Originally posted by queeq
...and yes, the Force is a good excuse to smoothen silly plot twists. Deus ex machina and all that. It's as if the ancient Greeks have returned.
But that's clearly not the only thing I stated. To single out "The Force" as the reason and pretend that it is the main excuse I could come up with is retarded.
Okay, two things:
Originally posted by queeq
1.What about a jump to light speed? And then another and then another. The Falcon escaped a Star Destroyer at the end of ESB? Other ships have as well. That whole thing you can't outrun a SD doesn't make sense when it comes to light speed anyway. You need to match the trajectory.
1. Your response clearly indicates you didn't read my entire post because your answer is already in it. See here:
Originally posted by dadudemon
...Vader interrogated the rebel scum to find out where the Princess was headed.
To add to that...he's literally doing that in the beginning of A New Hope...interrogating rebel scum.
2. Additionally, you answered you own question with another reason, later on in this very thread:
Originally posted by queeq
...from ESB we learn that Vader wants them to calculate the last known trajectory of the Falcon.
So there are two factual, in-movie references, easily explained reasons for how he tracked her down to Tatooine. But let's go for the obvious: she went straight to Tatooine and it was rather easy to figure out where she went. All you need to know is she escaped to Tatooine and Vader followed her and the movie picks right back up in ANH with that engagement. It is not that hard and it definitely does not qualify as a plot hole. In fact, it qualifies as explaining how shit started in ANH.
This is a summary of what you're trying to do, "Vader is shown interrogating Rebels to extract information he wants and Vader is shown using 'last known trajectory' to track down a ship but how could he track her down to Tatooine? It makes no sense, guys! Guys? GUYS!?!?"
Originally posted by queeq
2. Why would OB1 be able to save her from a SD? He's an old man living somewhere in the desert, no one even knows where. In ANH she says her ship has fallen under attack and now OB1 is her only hope. I'd say that would be when she'd gotten herself in an unexpected pickle. This wasn't that. In this scenario she actually creates the pickle by gently cruising down to Tatooine with a raging Vader on her butt. It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense if you ignore everything I stated in my post. It's like you hate the OT or something. Seriously, go back and read my post you quoted: that's your answer. It doesn't matter if you don't like it: it is the reason and there are no problems with it. If you hate OldBi Wan and think he's useless, okay, then. But that's your opinion and definitely not the opinion of the in-universe characters. And he's literally not useless because he takes down the Death Star's shields so it can blow up in the iconic Trench Run scene. 😐
And useless old man? No. A useful ninja old man? Yes. You don't get to choose to have an opinion on this...what happened on screen is what happened on screen.
Originally posted by queeq
If she got such important plans in a battle like that, with the entire Empire knowing that, the smart thing to do is go somewhere where the data can be duplicated, transmitted (like they just did) so a weakness can be found. After all, OB1 was not supposed to analyse the data... he was her only hope to get the tapes to the Rebellion. She could have done that herself seeing what happened in R1... why this weird detour?
You're wrong and I already explained why you would be wrong by making this statement. Here are your 2 options:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Leia's options are to go anywhere and be chased down by Vader and defeated or to go to the last known location of Obi Wan Kenobi and beg for help before getting chased down by Vader and defeated.
This is not a false dichotomy. These are literally her only 2 options. What, you think everyone in Star Wars is one of the most crafty smugglers in the galaxy or something and they all have to act just like Han Solo?
Originally posted by queeq
By trying to answer unnecessary questions of the past or by shedding a light on what happened in a past we could all imagine for ourselves, all these prequel movies create more problems than they solve. First they ruined the OT Darth Vader in the PT and now they make Leia look utterly stupid.
They make Leia look stupid? How so? Seems she was rather resourceful and she was extremely strong willed even after capture.
Originally posted by queeq
Thanks for so much "explaining"... great.
No problem. But you'll have to do a bit better than pretend ignorance and obstinence to make a case for your argument. You're literally the only person I've seen making this argument. Of all the things you could try and make a case about, criticizing Leia for seeking out Obi Wan is probably the worst one you could make. Your criticism has nothing to do with Rogue One and only to do with A New Hope but you're so hellbent on hating everything that is the OT to realize it.
Originally posted by ares834
Who knows. Like ANH, R1 leaves this an open ended question. We don’t know what Bail told Leia. All we know is he told her to pick him up. In fact, Kenobi may not even have been a solution, Leia may thought she had escaped the Empire.It’s faster than light speed actually, as that Han quote I posted shows. And Vader should have the trajectory of the Tantive IV.
Probably why she states in the recording, "You're our only hope." Rebels were a loose association of what seems like rich military aristocrats that were disenfranchised with the Empire. As Rogue One showed us...they were not united. Probably not united until their first major victory in ANH.
Originally posted by Darth ThorCompletely untrue. Let me educate my wayward son for a moment. Krennic isn't in the service of the empire for his training as a warrior nor did I ever make that claim. Galen died and was taken from his family. Guess who Krennic had killed.
Tarkin owned him. He was Vader's b**** and Galen made a total fool out of him.He's actually the reason the Empire fell. All down to that one cuck's incompetence.
Imagine people jumping wagon on him over Vader or Tarkin before the film came out thinking he was gonna be bad ass 😂
No, that's absurd. The most massive failure in this film was Vader's. He's up against mere grunts with no notable training or skill. He had the opportunity with his powers to tk away the plans. So in the end of this film just as in the end of ANH it ends with a Vader failure. Krennic was betrayed by Tarkin who tried plagiarizing Krennic's accomplishment.
You are making things up when he was clearly the primary antagonist in this film. You also ignore pivotal details and failures of Tarkin, Vader, and ultimately Palpatine whose arrogance was the final nail in his overrated empire's coffin.
Originally posted by Robtard
Director Cuckrennic just couldn't catch any breaks.Remember when Orson was supposed to turn out to be Snoke. :0
Do not besmirch my Snoke with your lies. You and D. Thor are stuck in the past. TFA was a far superior film with superior characters as well.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Though Í've always wonder how work on the DS could have stalled to the point where Krennic thought he needed Galen to begin with. Considering the Empire should've had the original plans for decades and Galen admits he wasn't necessary to complete it.
There were no plans for effectively utilising the power source, which was massive loads of Kyber Crystals.
Kyber crystals was Galen's expertise.
Explained in the prequel novel "Catalyst"
Originally posted by Darth Thor
There were no plans for effectively utilising the power source, which was massive loads of Kyber Crystals.Kyber crystals was Galen's expertise.
Explained in the prequel novel "Catalyst"
I thought that Galen had already implemented the process before going into hiding. Which is why he had to go through the trouble of making himself seems more useful to Krennic than he really was after he went back.
If this is covered in the prequel novel too then I'll leave it at that.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I thought that Galen had already implemented the process before going into hiding. Which is why he had to go through the trouble of making himself seems more useful to Krennic than he really was after he went back.If this is covered in the prequel novel too then I'll leave it at that.
He'd gotten far in his research of Kyber crystals for utilising their energy. But he didn't know his research was being used for military purposes at that point.
The DS team reached a halt with their us of Galens research, and he figured out what was going on. That's when he went into hiding.
Yes all in the Prequel novel.
An early version of the script had all the character's living in the end