Originally posted by Kazenji
An early version of the script had all the character's living in the end
Respect both Lucasfilm and Disney for having the balls to end it the way they did.
Originally posted by Kazenji
An early version of the script had all the character's living in the end
Respect both Lucasfilm and Disney for having the balls to end it the way they did.
Originally posted by Robtard
Exactly, lots of people die in wars and they went on a suicide mission, having them live would have been cheesy. Good (and a bit surprising) move for Disney.
It was in Episode 4, FFS. The didn't have a choice unless they wanted to piss of lots of Star Wars fans and make shit worse than the whining about the Prequels Trilogy.
Edit - Before someone confuses this comment, I'm saying that it was clearly stated what happened to those people in Episode four. It is a bit stupid that they were even considering something different and then pawning off a retconned explanation or something? "No no, they just pretended to be dead to get away from the war. Everyone thought they were dead. But they weren't, they secretly escaped."
Originally posted by dadudemon
It was in Episode 4, FFS. The didn't have a choice unless they wanted to piss of lots of Star Wars fans and make shit worse than the whining about the Prequels Trilogy.Edit - Before someone confuses this comment, I'm saying that it was clearly stated what happened to those people in Episode four. It is a bit stupid that they were even considering something different and then pawning off a retconned explanation or something? "No no, they just pretended to be dead to get away from the war. Everyone thought they were dead. But they weren't, they secretly escaped."
Where is it stated?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's not.He might be thinking of the Bothans in ROTJ. But even that wouldn't have to mean ALL the Bothans.
You guys are right. I'm confusing the statement in Return of the Jedi.
http://uproxx.com/hitfix/psa-no-bothans-died-to-bring-you-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story/
This guy points out that Leia, in A New Hope, made a statement that shows that the Death Star weakness issue is actually a plot hole in Rogue One:
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/star-wars-rogue-one-death-star-a-new-hope
The short summary: Leia said in A New Hope, "I only hope that when the data’s analyzed a weakness can be found. It’s not over yet." They already know what the weakness is. The specifics on "Where" is what they are supposed to be looking for. So....is this a massive **** up or something minor?
Originally posted by ares834
Well the only evidence for the DS’s weakness is Jyn’s claim that he father designed a weakness in it. From Leia's PoV, Jyn could be wrong. After all, a bunch of the other Rebel leaders certainly did not believe her.
But would that work? Because the Empire is huge. So why would they not figure it out?
Originally posted by dadudemon
But would that work? Because the Empire is huge. So why would they not figure it out?
Are you asking why didn’t the Empire notice the weakness prior to ANH? Well, that’s always been a problem. R1 rectifies it somewhat as the Rebels somewhat know where to look, whereas the Empire did not and their main scientist was compromised.
Originally posted by ares834
Are you asking why didn’t the Empire notice the weakness prior to ANH? Well, that’s always been a problem. R1 rectifies it somewhat as the Rebels somewhat know where to look, whereas the Empire did not and their main scientist was compromised.
Yes. If it was as simple as looking over the plans, then the Empire should have discovered it. But your explanation works: they know what they are looking for so they can probably find it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No problem. But you'll have to do a bit better than pretend ignorance and obstinence to make a case for your argument. You're literally the only person I've seen making this argument. Of all the things you could try and make a case about, criticizing Leia for seeking out Obi Wan is probably the worst one you could make. Your criticism has nothing to do with Rogue One and only to do with A New Hope but you're so hellbent on hating everything that is the OT to realize it.
You're missing the point. If you have just obtained vital information to strike a blow against a dictatorship and you have from that very moment the dictator's attack dog on your six, what do you do?
A) Jump to light speed to a safe location to get the data where it can do some good?
B) Go to a remote desert planet and try to find someone who might already be dead?
And the Tantive can travel above light speed can't it? We see them do it in ROTJ... And above light speed is above light speed. Or as Han Solo put it: travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, you can bounce into a supernova. You can't just jump after someone.
It appears that ANH happens right after R1... That still raises my question: why does Leia, with what we know from R1, travel to Tatooine?
If time has passed after Vader has been questioning rebels, as you imagine, than why would she travel to Tatooine?
IMHO, the OT plot seemed more like she was actually going somewhere (Yavin 4?) to deliver the plans in secret, but she was found out and had fallen under attack somewhere around Tatooine... knowing from her father that OB1 was supposed to live there, he was 'her only hope'. In the new, post R1 scenario, she seeks him out for no apparent purpose and is effectively endangering her own mission. It's weird.
It has nothing to do with ANH or the OT. You are so wrong, you can't imagine. My Top 3 SW movies: ESB, ANH, ROTJ/R!/ROTS... Your accusation of calling me an OT hater couldn't be more wrong. My point was, like it was with the PT, that these prequels tend to ruin the OT by creating a backstory that doesn't quite fit. (Like Leia remembering her mom, like making OT Vader a stupid, whiny cripple, like making OB1 an even bigger liar than the OT did... that kind of stuff.)
So if you're wrong about my SW preference, you can also be wrong about the whole Leia looking for OB1 plot that R1 has created. You can explain all you want, it's Leia's motivation that doesn't make sense. And it's motivation that drives action.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes. If it was as simple as looking over the plans, then the Empire should have discovered it. But your explanation works: they know what they are looking for so they can probably find it.
Any giant construction has weaknesses. I don't think it was ever a problem. The explanation was already given in ANH: the Empire didn't think small fighters were a threat. And big ships probably couldn't penetrate the shields.
Just considering the amount of turbo lasers in the relatively small shaft, already shows the Empire made precautions. Just an oversight.
When Disneyland opened its doors, some things didn't either.
Explanations don't make a great movie.
Originally posted by queeq
You're missing the point. If you have just obtained vital information to strike a blow against a dictatorship and you have from that very moment the dictator's attack dog on your six, what do you do?A) Jump to light speed to a safe location to get the data where it can do some good?
B) Go to a remote desert planet and try to find someone who might already be dead?
And the Tantive can travel above light speed can't it? We see them do it in ROTJ... And above light speed is above light speed. Or as Han Solo put it: travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, you can bounce into a supernova. You can't just jump after someone.
It appears that ANH happens right after R1... That still raises my question: why does Leia, with what we know from R1, travel to Tatooine?
If time has passed after Vader has been questioning rebels, as you imagine, than why would she travel to Tatooine?IMHO, the OT plot seemed more like she was actually going somewhere (Yavin 4?) to deliver the plans in secret, but she was found out and had fallen under attack somewhere around Tatooine... knowing from her father that OB1 was supposed to live there, he was 'her only hope'. In the new, post R1 scenario, she seeks him out for no apparent purpose and is effectively endangering her own mission. It's weird.
It has nothing to do with ANH or the OT. You are so wrong, you can't imagine. My Top 3 SW movies: ESB, ANH, ROTJ/R!/ROTS... Your accusation of calling me an OT hater couldn't be more wrong. My point was, like it was with the PT, that these prequels tend to ruin the OT by creating a backstory that doesn't quite fit. (Like Leia remembering her mom, like making OT Vader a stupid, whiny cripple, like making OB1 an even bigger liar than the OT did... that kind of stuff.)
So if you're wrong about my SW preference, you can also be wrong about the whole Leia looking for OB1 plot that R1 has created. You can explain all you want, it's Leia's motivation that doesn't make sense. And it's motivation that drives action.
No, what I said: go to your only hope and get captured by Vader or fly somewhere else and get captured by Vader.
Again, this is a problem with ANH, not Rogue One.
Edit - I read the rest of your post. Vader watched her ship fly away right before he got to her at the end of Rogue One. Also, that was her plan all along. Looks like you gave another valid reason why she went to Tatooine: she already had the coordinates set and she didn't have time to change them. Also..only hope...trying to outrun Vader to get enough time to deliver the plans to Kenobi....etc.
Also, the trench run was only successful because Kenobes go the shields down...seems like it was the correct decision to flee to Kenobi.
Err... no. Kenobi got the tractor beam disabled so the MF could escape. It didn't have anything to do with the attack. In fact, the Empire LET THEM GO... Tarkin and Vader discuss it, Leia realises it. Have you seen ANH at all???
And how can something in ANH be a problem? The movie was there first!!!! If you make a prequel, it kinda makes sense to not ruin the earlier made movie.
But still the question stands: why go to Kenobi at all in the R1 scenario? This not an ANH problem. This plot line of Leia getting the plans in the Scarif battle is an invention almost 40 years after ANH was made.
So why is Kenobi suddenly the key to finding a weakness in the DS plans? I mean, it would take a technician or engineer to find it, not a Jedi. Plus no one knows if he's still alive.
Kenobi in ANH serves the purpose of a last resort for Leia, to get the plans to safety. Nothing more. And story wise that of mentor that teaches Luke the basics of the Force. After getting the tractor beam disabled, Kenobi serves no more purpose. That why they let hem die.
Leia doesn't seem to need a last resort in R1, seems to me she has plenty of options.