Originally posted by carver9
Why when Hulk has on numerous of occasions slapped speedsters in the face? Remember, he also outpaced Ironman by foot. Outran his thrusters.
I guess if it was the very very weakest and slowest version of Quicksilver it might make some semblance of sense for Hulk to be able to do it.
Originally posted by Surtur
I guess if it was the very very weakest and slowest version of Quicksilver it might make some semblance of sense for Hulk to be able to do it.
Or is fast.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with you Sorrow...I just think that showing was more in-depth. Also, I think this belongs here.
Originally posted by RadZoa
Speedsters get hit A LOT by bricks. Meanwhile characters who are fast but not speedsters like Spiderman have no problem dodging bricks like Hulk and Juggernaut.
Spiderman has dodged Firelord and Silver Surfer, along with Thor, etc, etc...what is your point? Hulk has also punched Spiderman clean in his face without any issues.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y is nu adam being discussed? He doesnt have enough appearances tp warrant a thread.
I reckon he has the feats to compete here. Namor and Aquaman are both strong, and have feats with speed - so does BA (blitzing Ultraman, a Guardian of the Universe - moreover, he has actually DEFEATED a Guardian, back in the past).
He now has a Yellow Lantern ring, and has transmutation abilities. The two on one advantage is kinda negated when your opponent can attack multiple targets at once with magical lightning (as shown), or can create multiple constructs.
Carver, the team's current biggest supporter, LOVES using this scan:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111117653/3738753-2041804435-28728.jpg
Magical lightning. Aquaman kinda falls there. And this is lightning from Shazam, no less.
Originally posted by carver9Firelord and Surfer aren't speedsters, Thor even less so, why you brought this up, I have no idea. My point was that speedsters have a tendency to get hit by bricks they normally wouldn't get hit by. Hulk's hit Spiderman before, and how many times has he missed? Yeah, that's what I thought
Spiderman has dodged Firelord and Silver Surfer, along with Thor, etc, etc...what is your point? Hulk has also punched Spiderman clean in his face without any issues.
Originally posted by RadZoa
Firelord and Surfer aren't speedsters, Thor even less so, why you brought this up, I have no idea. My point was that speedsters have a tendency to get hit by bricks they normally wouldn't get hit by. Hulk's hit Spiderman before, and how many times has he missed? Yeah, that's what I thought
Does this only apply to Spiderman or am I able to bring up the speedsters that missed Batman or Deathstroke? Let me know.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I reckon he has the feats to compete here. Namor and Aquaman are both strong, and have feats with speed - so does BA (blitzing Ultraman, a Guardian of the Universe - moreover, he has actually DEFEATED a Guardian, back in the past).He now has a Yellow Lantern ring, and has transmutation abilities. The two on one advantage is kinda negated when your opponent can attack multiple targets at once with magical lightning (as shown), or can create multiple constructs.
Carver, the team's current biggest supporter, LOVES using this scan:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111117653/3738753-2041804435-28728.jpg
Magical lightning. Aquaman kinda falls there. And this is lightning from Shazam, no less.
Excellent post, you spoil us, DS.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I reckon he has the feats to compete here. Namor and Aquaman are both strong, and have feats with speed - so does BA (blitzing Ultraman, a Guardian of the Universe - moreover, he has actually DEFEATED a Guardian, back in the past).He now has a Yellow Lantern ring, and has transmutation abilities. The two on one advantage is kinda negated when your opponent can attack multiple targets at once with magical lightning (as shown), or can create multiple constructs.
Carver, the team's current biggest supporter, LOVES using this scan:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111117653/3738753-2041804435-28728.jpg
Magical lightning. Aquaman kinda falls there. And this is lightning from Shazam, no less.
U feel aa thogh he has enough feats to stack against these two?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I reckon he has the feats to compete here. Namor and Aquaman are both strong, and have feats with speed - so does BA (blitzing Ultraman, a Guardian of the Universe - moreover, he has actually DEFEATED a Guardian, back in the past).He now has a Yellow Lantern ring, and has transmutation abilities. The two on one advantage is kinda negated when your opponent can attack multiple targets at once with magical lightning (as shown), or can create multiple constructs.
Carver, the team's current biggest supporter, LOVES using this scan:
Magical lightning. Aquaman kinda falls there. And this is lightning from Shazam, no less.
You can't use one instance of lightning to suggest it's as powerful as a different source of lightning. The scan suggest Aquaman can survive lightning that's hurts Superman and Wonder Woman as well and it seems to be the voltage we have no idea whether it's science controlling nature or magic either because it's not stated.
Given Frankenstein was able to restrain Shazam physically who had to resort to saying Shazam I'd say Black Adam if he is even stronger then Aquaman shouldn't be so by much. But on feats alone Aquaman has better strength feats so I wouldn't say he's faster.
Frankenstien restraining Shazam for a panel who had to break out of it by yelling Shazam
Frankenstein tossing Shazam
Same book. Aquaman grappling Frankenstien
In terms of speed Aquaman showed he was fast enough in Throne of Atlantis to react to Wonder Woman trying to lasso him and to land a punch on Superman who was at a distance from him.
In terms of Magic, Aquaman's trident absorbs and redirects magic shown in Aquaman Annual 1 where he absorbed Morgan Le Fei's magical attack apparently capable of destroying Hong Kong and sent it right back.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I reckon he has the feats to compete here. Namor and Aquaman are both strong, and have feats with speed - so does BA (blitzing Ultraman, a Guardian of the Universe - moreover, he has actually DEFEATED a Guardian, back in the past).He now has a Yellow Lantern ring, and has transmutation abilities. The two on one advantage is kinda negated when your opponent can attack multiple targets at once with magical lightning (as shown), or can create multiple constructs.
Carver, the team's current biggest supporter, LOVES using this scan:
Magical lightning. Aquaman kinda falls there. And this is lightning from Shazam, no less.
You can't use one lightning instance to suggest what another lightning instance is capable of unless we either no the damage output of Adam's lightning or if we're just hyping it up on what we think it's able to do. The lightning instance in Throne of Atlantis we can't say whether it's natural or magical because we have no idea it's also a great showing if we consider Wonder Woman's feats of tanking Zeus lightning and Superman being shocked by like 10000 volts I believe and Aquaman survived lightning alongside them.
It's irrelevant though since Aquaman Annual 1 shows Aquaman's trident absorbs magic. Morgan Le Fey tried to use a magical blast to destroy Hong Kong and Aquaman absorbed it and sent it right back.
I doubt Black Adam is stronger since Aquaman has more and to be honest better physical feats.
Trinity Wars: Frankenstein restrained Shazam who had to say Shazam to get him off, and Frankenstien also through him sending him flying. Same comic event had Aquaman grappling with Frakenstein. Futures End Frankenstein fought on par with Teth for the most part loosing his arm though cause well he's a zombie and his limbs are stitched together.
Throne of Atlantis: Showcased Aquaman's speed he reacted to Wonder Woman attempting to lasso him. Also was able to get to and hit Superman when they were at a distance.
I feel Aquaman alone could beat him, Namor is just assurance.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You can't use one instance of lightning to suggest it's as powerful as a different source of lightning. The scan suggest Aquaman can survive lightning that's hurts Superman and Wonder Woman as well and it seems to be the voltage we have no idea whether it's science controlling nature or magic either because it's not stated.Given Frankenstein was able to restrain Shazam physically who had to resort to saying Shazam I'd say Black Adam if he is even stronger then Aquaman shouldn't be so by much. But on feats alone Aquaman has better strength feats so I wouldn't say he's faster.
Frankenstien restraining Shazam for a panel who had to break out of it by yelling Shazam
Frankenstein tossing Shazam
Same book. Aquaman grappling Frankenstien
In terms of speed Aquaman showed he was fast enough in Throne of Atlantis to react to Wonder Woman trying to lasso him and to land a punch on Superman who was at a distance from him.
In terms of Magic, Aquaman's trident absorbs and redirects magic shown in Aquaman Annual 1 where he absorbed Morgan Le Fei's magical attack apparently capable of destroying Hong Kong and sent it right back.
True that, and agreed, BA's lightning is no ordinary lightning - it can be aimed with a lot of precision (hitting thugs in a crowd of people) and can also turn people into stone, as opposed to Ocean Master simply blasting it from the sky.
Using Frankenstein is...I get where you're coming from, but he's simply a brick with his fists and his strength.
BA is a flying brick, with a Yellow Lantern ring and magical lightning that he has used in his showings to turn people into stone, just because he wants to. I get that Aquaman can leap great distances (as seen with Morgan) but BA doesn't just sit in one patch of sky...he hurtles around (as seen with the Pale Vicar, and with Ultraman).
Moreover, if we're using Shazam as the yardstick, didn't BA utterly stomp him when he first appeared in the DCnU? My recollection on that is shaky, tbh.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True that, and agreed, BA's lightning is no ordinary lightning - it can be aimed with a lot of precision (hitting thugs in a crowd of people) and can also turn people into stone, as opposed to Ocean Master simply blasting it from the sky.Using Frankenstein is...I get where you're coming from, but he's simply a brick with his fists and his strength.
BA is a flying brick, with a Yellow Lantern ring and magical lightning that he has used in his showings to turn people into stone, just because he wants to. I get that Aquaman can leap great distances (as seen with Morgan) but BA doesn't just sit in one patch of sky...he hurtles around (as seen with the Pale Vicar, and with Ultraman).
Moreover, if we're using Shazam as the yardstick, didn't BA utterly stomp him when he first appeared in the DCnU? My recollection on that is shaky, tbh.
Shazam has more feats since then like tossing Wonder Woman in Trinity Wars or trading a few Punches with Superman in the prelude before he was ganged up on by the League.
To my understanding Black Adam beat a Shazam who just received the powers so no really control of them even then the powers he split among the other Orphans were that of his own. Shazam really has no combat skill where as Aquaman in Annual 2 showed skill against Wonder Woman being able to break out of grapples or grappling and in Aquaman and The Others he showed skill combating Cheshire where he was going easy on her and disarmed her twice.
Even then Frankenstein was trading Punches with Black Adam in Futures End, he got his arm ripped off but I'd attribute that to being a guy covered in stitches and both pulling in opposition
I don't think speed should be a problem Aquaman doesn't run at Super speed what he does is charge at Super speed which was shown in Throne of Atlantis against Superman and Wonder Woman. Leaping is nothing but an upwards charge and by calculation Aquaman has been always been quicker on land due to the pressure being off if we look at his best estimated speed the faster then atleast base hypersonic feat when swimming that should put him massively hypersonic with charges and that's just by calculation. It's not far fetch since Mera was able to leap into this hypersonic air craft from the sea all the way pass clouds so that's considerable distance as well and Aquaman is usually ahead of her when swimming in a hurry.
The Yellow Ring probably is a nice attribute but what feats would you say Black Adam has with it? Would you say that his constructs are more durable then Hal as GL? Cause during the Graves arc Wonder Woman casually broke his with a backhand. She directly punched Graves Pretas protection and it was still covering him. Aquaman shattered that same Pretas protection with the back end of his trident, he was also the only one to pierce into Darkseid's body.
I honestly think omnidirectional magic would just be absorbed by the trident, shown in most of Teth's fights though like some of the ones you brought up like Ultraman or The Pale he doesn't really even use alot of Magic in a fight other then "Shazam" he tends to duke it out.
This is BA when he met Shazam:
So, if Frankenstein managed to subdue Shazam for a panel, BA did it with one hand, lol (AND Shazam was pretty pissed off at this point). He hadn't split his powers here. And control of powers is one thing, but am not sure how more control of your powers enables you to stop being overpowered?
This is him against a speedster:
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99801/3134410-black+adam+and+darla.png
Speedblitzing Shazam:
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99801/3134101-billy+and+adam.png
As for multiple enemies:
http://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/get-him-2.jpg?w=620&h=917
Of course, not saying that his fear is > Hal's will - but it is pretty high up there. As to how strong they are, certainly they should be up there. Enough to give him a boos. Aquaman, incidentally, was THROWN by Flash when piercing Darkseid - proof that he does not possess the strength necessary, or the speed to stab.
As for the 'shown in most of his fights', he's had four appearances. The first showing with Billy, the Forever Evil showing, the Yellow Ring showing, and the Villains Month showing.
So, 25% of his appearances involve him transmuting someone into stone. Pretty good odds, I'd say.
One last point - it's not omnidirectional lightning.
http://s9.postimg.org/g1xanusjz/Justice_League_of_America_2013_Featuring_Bl.jpg
It can target specific...well, targets, lol. In a mob, it can pick out specific people, and hit them, whilst sparing innocents, as opposed to just spamming the battlefield a la OceanMaster, or a Thor. To defend against it, Aquaman would need a field around him, or a shield of some sort, which surrounds him. Or even be able to spin his trident at speeds to shield himself - and his back, when another bolt sneaks round (I've shown BA producing up to seven bolts to hit 7 targets).
