Aquaman, Namor vs Black Adam

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
One last point - it's not omnidirectional lightning.

It can target specific...well, targets, lol. In a mob, it can pick out specific people, and hit them, whilst sparing innocents, as opposed to just spamming the battlefield a la OceanMaster, or a Thor. To defend against it, Aquaman would need a field around him, or a shield of some sort, which surrounds him. Or even be able to spin his trident at speeds to shield himself - and his back, when another bolt sneaks round (I've shown BA producing up to seven bolts to hit 7 targets).

He's done so against Atlantean weaponry and has disarmed several Atlanteans spinning his trident. What feats does Black Adam's lightning even have to suggest it's going to harm Aquaman whose taken lightning alongside and able to harm Superman and Wonder Woman

Whereas Teth's is being used against humans who are less durable then Aquaman even the Batman instance Batman wears and insulated suit protecting him from Voltage and got dropped by a smaller dosage Orm even calling him fragile that's still better then random human fodder though in comparison. Later Aquaman takes Orm's purple lightning and this is it being spread through a current or over distance.

Not to mention OP suggested in partnering Aquaman up so he's not doing this solo I'd post links but the site doesn't let me at this point.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
He's done so against Atlantean weaponry and has disarmed several Atlanteans spinning his trident. What feats does Black Adam's lightning even have to suggest it's going to harm Aquaman whose taken lightning alongside and able to harm Superman and Wonder Woman

Whereas Teth's is being used against humans who are less durable then Aquaman even the Batman instance Batman wears and insulated suit protecting him from Voltage and got dropped by a smaller dosage Orm even calling him fragile that's still better then random human fodder though in comparison. Later Aquaman takes Orm's purple lightning and this is it being spread through a current or over distance.

Not to mention OP suggested in partnering Aquaman up so he's not doing this solo I'd post links but the site doesn't let me at this point.

And to turn it back on you - were the Atlantean missiles going at the speed of lightning?

As I've said, it isn't lightning the same way Orm's is. It can be aimed at specific targets, and can turn people to stone. Neither of which Orm's could do.

I know your next argument may well be, well, what feats does it have against superhumans? To which my reply would be, I would need to see proof that the gods who gave Adam power - both physical and magical - skimped on the magical part, and only gave him herald level strength, and street level magical power.

Edit: as for lightning:

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4061745-aquaman+%282011-%29+034-003.jpg

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Given Frankenstein was able to restrain Shazam physically who had to resort to saying Shazam I'd say Black Adam if he is even stronger then Aquaman shouldn't be so by much. But on feats alone Aquaman has better strength feats so I wouldn't say he's faster.

Frankenstien restraining Shazam for a panel who had to break out of it by yelling Shazam

Just to point out - Shazam specifically said Frankenstein DIDN't have him, and who's to say he didn't say it to get out of Deadman's powers? Deadman is incredibly powerful, after all...

http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3276344-2013-08-28+06-47-50+-+justice+league+%282011-%29+023-008.jpg

And is THIS what you were referring to? Aquaman holds the trident in his hand - doesn't exactly look as if he is loving that lightning...

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894509-justiceleague_17_thegroup_009.jpg

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894513-justiceleague_17_thegroup_010.jpg

These are from his respect thread, btw. Not lowballing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And to turn it back on you - were the Atlantean missiles going at the speed of lightning?

As I've said, it isn't lightning the same way Orm's is. It can be aimed at specific targets, and can turn people to stone. Neither of which Orm's could do.

I know your next argument may well be, well, what feats does it have against superhumans? To which my reply would be, I would need to see proof that the gods who gave Adam power - both physical and magical - skimped on the magical part, and only gave him herald level strength, and street level magical power.

My next point would be what feats do these gods have that Black Adam draws his power from.

You've posted a scan of Black Adam grabbing a speedster with no speed feats and beating up Shazam who just got the abilities.

I commented on Aquaman charging Wonder Woman before she fully was able to get her lasso on him which she has lasso'd people like Supergirl.

I don't see the stone thing being a question of durability if he uses it I don't see how standard Aquaman would counter it at this point heck with it he should logically be able to beat Anyone the league though it's not something Teth uses frequently given the majority of his fights in the New52 against characters he hasn't but if we put it on the table I'd give it to him for that. In terms of physicals though at this point in time Aquaman has him beat.

Lobo being able to beat on Sinestro with the yellow Aura up and make him bleed and I think we'd both agree Sinestro's ring power should be way above Teth's. Lobo hurt his hand punching Superman who didn't even blink, Aquaman punched Superman who was gone for awhile and continued to use that same fist to punch Orm sending him back a few feet in one instance and breaking his helmet in another.

Aquaman Annual 2 he and Wonder Woman fight both being possessed. In terms of durability he fought Hercules who is the God Shazam gets his strength from atleast before Darkseid Wars, and the only reason I'd say Shazam did as bad as he did against Teth was his inexperience Futures End neither got any boost to my knowledge and Teth couldn't beat Shazam like he originally did.

Durability wise he was able to take hits from a J'onn Jonnz who amped himself by increasing his size which he has shown to do when pulling the Brainiac ship and mentioned amping via shape-shifting when fighting Despero in the watchtower.

Forever Evil stated Aquaman was one of the strongest beings on Earth alongside Wonder Woman and Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just to point out - Shazam specifically said Frankenstein DIDN't have him, and who's to say he didn't say it to get out of Deadman's powers? Deadman is incredibly powerful, after all...

And is THIS what you were referring to? Aquaman holds the trident in his hand - doesn't exactly look as if he is loving that lightning...

These are from his respect thread, btw. Not lowballing.

Tanking in the form that he's conscious after Orm's lightning. Adam's chest lightning has no feats against anyone who isn't human for the most part.

Shazam got out of the grapple by yelling Shazam it really doesn't prove he was physically capable of getting out since he used magic to blast them away. Franky was still restraining him to get Deadman to do whatever he was. As well as the fact Frank also tossed him aside in an earlier instance.

This link rule is a bit annoying by the way how do I get it removed..

yeah, i'm still convinced it's a split. but in my head i was using pre-nu adam and nu arthur for some reason. never really thought nu adam had enough feats, while arthur did. still don't really think he has enough feats for a fair comparison.

What link rule?

Originally posted by riv6672
What link rule?

I can't post links yet or something.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i'm still convinced it's a split. but in my head i was using pre-nu adam and nu arthur for some reason. never really thought nu adam had enough feats, while arthur did. still don't really think he has enough feats for a fair comparison.

Nu Aquaman has better physical feats the only way Adam takes this if we're using Nu versions is if we take the turning people into stone this as something he'd do in this fight.

I'd honestly argue P52 Aquaman could tp Pre52 Adam to the most notable tp resistance thing Teth has was the overloading Martian Manhunter's mind who tried to probe him I'd say it was plot but even if didn't probing, Mind reading, Influencing works by mentally targeting the Frontal Lobe. Aquaman's Seizure thing attacks the Basal Ganglia which isn't located in the frontal lobe.

Check out Arthur Curry aka Aquaman Respect Thread if you'd like on comicvine.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I can't post links yet or something.

It's a standard anti-spambots rule.

Once you get enough posts, you'll be able to post links.

Yeah, i post so much i dont think i ever even noticed that rule. 😛

Getting 100 posts is a requirement, iirc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's a standard anti-spambots rule.

Once you get enough posts, you'll be able to post links.

Appreciate it guess that means I'm going to be busy posting.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i'm still convinced it's a split. but in my head i was using pre-nu adam and nu arthur for some reason. never really thought nu adam had enough feats, while arthur did. still don't really think he has enough feats for a fair comparison.

But then how does nu arthur get around the whole massive speed disadvantage he most definitely has against pre-nu adam? Since it's surely not like Namor can pick up the slack there, being also absurdly slower.

Originally posted by Surtur
But then how does nu arthur get around the whole massive speed disadvantage he most definitely has against pre-nu adam? Since it's surely not like Namor can pick up the slack there, being also absurdly slower.

He's been faster and stronger on land since Pre-Crisis the only this is that in the Silver Age his strength would diminish over time because of lack of water. After the Silver Age that was pretty much retconned and would only be brought up in titles outside the Aquaman title if at all to be a plot point in the Aquaman title he's addressed it as silly to think he'd be completely fine at the 59 minute mark but poof be dead at 60. There's a thread on Comicvine called "The Aquaman Misconception and Facts thread" feel free to check it out there's also a thread I've mentioned earlier called "Aquaman Composite Respect Thread" its full of links and in the speed sub area has some calculations with the explanation to it. DC characters or bricks usually have some speed advantage in the DC/Marvel crossover Namor couldnt really even touch Aquaman and Aquaman was laughing and joking around about it while Namor said stay still.

As for the speed argument Nu Adam doesn't have any feats suggesting he's faster then Nu Aquaman whose charged both Nu Superman and Nu Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Getting 100 posts is a requirement, iirc.

On topic though, this has been really interesting debate. I started out favoring the duo, but wound up on Adam's side.

Lightning isn't even effective on namor.

Magical lightning that turns people into stone? I'll need to see proof of Namor's mystical defences, tbh.

Lightning itself isn't effective on him,as for mystical defences,he resisted dr strange's mystical attack and the mystical backlash KO'd strange. His royal blood is also a powerful mystical item ingredient and atlantean magic flows through him as king of atlantis(he isn't a magician himself). So I guess he is quite more magical resistant than an average less than peak human,no? When he faced khan,a magician who trapped him and doom in a bottle,he broke through and ripped khan's head off. He also has a magical trident with him too. Also I would like to see adam's mystical prowess being able to seriously affect someone remotely superhuman,

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
He's been faster and stronger on land since Pre-Crisis the only this is that in the Silver Age his strength would diminish over time because of lack of water. After the Silver Age that was pretty much retconned and would only be brought up in titles outside the Aquaman title if at all to be a plot point in the Aquaman title he's addressed it as silly to think he'd be completely fine at the 59 minute mark but poof be dead at 60. There's a thread on Comicvine called "The Aquaman Misconception and Facts thread" feel free to check it out there's also a thread I've mentioned earlier called "Aquaman Composite Respect Thread" its full of links and in the speed sub area has some calculations with the explanation to it. DC characters or bricks usually have some speed advantage in the DC/Marvel crossover Namor couldnt really even touch Aquaman and Aquaman was laughing and joking around about it while Namor said stay still.

Nobody said Aquaman isn't faster then normal, what he isn't is anywhere near the speed of Black Adam, nor is Namor. If you believe either of those characters could fight Jay Garrick at super speed please tell me I am wrong.

As for the speed argument Nu Adam doesn't have any feats suggesting he's faster then Nu Aquaman whose charged both Nu Superman and Nu Wonder Woman.

The speed argument was specifically about preNu Adam.