Aquaman, Namor vs Black Adam

Originally posted by Genii96
Lightning itself isn't effective on him,as for mystical defences,he resisted dr strange's mystical attack and the mystical backlash KO'd strange. His royal blood is also a powerful mystical item ingredient and atlantean magic flows through him as king of atlantis(he isn't a magician himself). So I guess he is quite more magical resistant than an average less than peak human,no? When he faced khan,a magician who trapped him and doom in a bottle,he broke through and ripped khan's head off. He also has a magical trident with him too. Also I would like to see adam's mystical prowess being able to seriously affect someone remotely superhuman,

Normal lightning doesn't turn you to stone so talking about feats that aren't with mystical "turn you to stone" lightning are irrelevant. As for the rest nothing you said suggests Namor could resist magical transmutation. I don't even understand the relevance of you mentioning the magic trident unless it has protected him from magical spells in the past. Has it?

Also frankly the "Dr. Strange mystically attacked him and it KOed Dr. Strange" seems..well, strange. What does this mean? Was it a magical energy blast that bounced off Namor? Was this Classic Strange? Jobber Strange? Was this some kind of transmutation spell that failed?

Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody said Aquaman isn't faster then normal, what he isn't is anywhere near the speed of Black Adam, nor is Namor. If you believe either of those characters could fight Jay Garrick at super speed please tell me I am wrong.

The speed argument was specifically about preNu Adam.

Check out "Arthur Curry aka Aquaman Respect Thread" on Comicvine

I'd post links but I can't at the moment anyways I was thinking this was current versions of each character. Namor before SS ofcourse

I feel like Aquaman's trident doesn't just absorb energy but disrupts magic I'll look for something to back it up since right now it's just a thought.

Are you saying this respect thread contains feats showing Aquaman is a high end speedster? Or is that just for the bit about absorbing energy?

Originally posted by Surtur
Are you saying this respect thread contains feats showing Aquaman is a high end speedster? Or is that just for the bit about absorbing energy?

It contains reaction, and traveling speed feats.

It has the feats of him absorbing energy with his trident and redirecting it as well.

There's actually alot of stuff and more stuff to be added.

Do you think Aquaman could replicate the Jay Garrick feat?

Aquaman on his seahorse is faster than any Speedforce user, canon

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Aquaman on his seahorse is faster than any Speedforce user, canon

There is a huge asterisk to this statement though, context matters. The seahorse is a speedforce user. This needs to be made clear.

Originally posted by Surtur
There is a huge asterisk to this statement though, context matters. The seahorse is a speedforce user. This needs to be made clear.

No, the seahorse is beyond speedforce...

It's the poweroftheocean, bro... Pr tries to tap into it every once in a while. Ends in lifesavers getting his ass out of water.

I just wonder what would happened if it had a baby with the kryptonian horse named Comet that wanted to bang Supergirl.

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Originally posted by Surtur
Do you think Aquaman could replicate the Jay Garrick feat?

Tagging a running Jay, yes I do. Racing one not really unless it's at sea.

It's silly logic to think about despite being a comic because of trying to think of how it would be possible in are world, but Silver Age Aquaman has been stated as faster then Superman at sea whose had problems Tagging himat Sea.Comicfan11 on comicvine has scans to show it in his images. On land he's shown dodging Weather Wizards lightning from a cloud just above his head. Other Silver Age stuff with him doing moves he saw Flash doing before like creating wind funnels under water.

Scans where Amazo with the League power had Aquaman coming at him and saying he couldn't react in time. JL Detroit Era which carried through throughout the Pre-Flashpoint era.

Silver Age silliness aside the Morrison JLA run had Aquaman being able to perceive a running Wally clone. The Waid run had him keep up with Wally at sea trying to stop a Durlan Civil War. The Aquaman Time and Tide serious had him suprise a running Barry in chase of the Trickster. Aquaman Vol 6 number 1 referenced Time and Tide and showed him Reflexively. In JLA Classified he suprised a running Wally with Hydrokinesis right in from of him. In the PAD started volume run he dodged a blow from a monster Timmorn who was able to tag a running Jay.

The only instance I can think of anyone really outspeeding Aquaman is Wally under diress trying to save multiple League members and if we count Johnny Quicks speed Punches as something he wasn't able to react to which didn't really do anything to him but make him go "Ow".

To your question though I think he can react to alot of Speedsters and I feel all the stuff I mentioned is referenced like when you see Aquaman react to a speeding Flash in Injustice or Ocean Master eventually perceiving Flash in The Animated Throne of Atlantis movie I'd say it's derived from the comics and their reflexes being better in air.

Jay can run at nearly the speed of light, so do you think Aquaman can react at nearly the speed of light? He'd need to be able to react at those speeds to tag Jay as he is running.

You mentioned racing at sea, can Aquaman swim at the speed of light? Or near it?

Originally posted by Surtur
Jay can run at nearly the speed of light, so do you think Aquaman can react at nearly the speed of light? He'd need to be able to react at those speeds to tag Jay as he is running.

You mentioned racing at sea, can Aquaman swim at the speed of light? Or near it?

There's nothing to suggest he's lightspeed I believe in his own feats, the feats I'm talking about are based in comparison to other characters.

Like charging Amazo before he can react. I'd post scans but yuknow. It's logic based on we see what one character can do so we see no when another character counters that or competes against that where it should logically place them. Similar to we know how hot heat vision is so when we see someone survive it we know how much heat they took or the destructive capabilities of the Omega Beams in terms of Durability.

I don't believe Jay is anywhere near Light speed so your going to have to show me a Jay without speed stealing coming anywhere near that. Personal curiosity and all.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There's nothing to suggest he's lightspeed I believe in his own feats, the feats I'm talking about are based in comparison to other characters.

Like charging Amazo before he can react. I'd post scans but yuknow. It's logic based on we see what one character can do so we see no when another character counters that or competes against that where it should logically place them. Similar to we know how hot heat vision is so when we see someone survive it we know how much heat they took or the destructive capabilities of the Omega Beams in terms of Durability.

I don't believe Jay is anywhere near Light speed so your going to have to show me a Jay without speed stealing coming anywhere near that. Personal curiosity and all.

IIRC he lost it during Infinite Crisis, then regained it in Flash Rebirth although running at light speed takes a heavy toll on him now.

Not sure about Earth 2 Jay though

If you turn on a flashlight in a dark world and run faster than light speed , do you stay in the dark/outrun the light?

How does it feel to outrun light?

Originally posted by RadZoa

IIRC he lost it during Infinite Crisis, then regained it in Flash Rebirth although running at light speed takes a heavy toll on him now.

Not sure about Earth 2 Jay though

I can't read that the image is blurry are there any scans of him actually running that fast.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
If you turn on a flashlight in a dark world and run faster than light speed , do you stay in the dark/outrun the light?

How does it feel to outrun light?

It's usually attributed to writers making the statement a character is running faster then light or capable of doing sometimes it's based on calculations of how fast a character is going compared to light.

Alot of writers tend not to follow their own calculations or do much research.

Some characters are suggested to be lightspeed or near it based on what they've done against characters. Like I'm guessing the Black Adam/Jay Garrick instance is being used for that reason. Reason I brought up instances of Aquaman compared to speedsters which I'm not sure is being taken seriously which seems pretty double standarded.

Realistically anyone traveling faster then light should be in the dark. Running faster then light here would be outrunning the time it takes for light to travel from the sun to the earth.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
If you turn on a flashlight in a dark world and run faster than light speed , do you stay in the dark/outrun the light?

How does it feel to outrun light?

It feels like Colossus Big c

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I can't read that the image is blurry are there any scans of him actually running that fast.

It's an older scan, I believe in one JSA comic Jay told Mr Terrific that only Wally can run that fast because running faster than light would risk losing himself in the speed force

Post Flash Rebirth (I think) Jay could run around light speed or just a bit under but he would risk having a heart attack if he kept it up for long. He's probably around the same level as Northstar ei 99% but can't sustain it, although more experienced and has speed force abilities like speed stealing and ridiculous durability to where he can shrug off being punched across the US by Zoom.

Here's a bio scan stating that Jay was able to run at light speed but has slowed down a bit due to age

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
My next point would be what feats do these gods have that Black Adam draws his power from.

You've posted a scan of Black Adam grabbing a speedster with no speed feats and beating up Shazam who just got the abilities.

I commented on Aquaman charging Wonder Woman before she fully was able to get her lasso on him which she has lasso'd people like Supergirl.

Aquaman charged WW = Aquaman is faster than WW.
GL has tagged WW = GL is faster than WW
Batman has stolen GL's ring = Batman is faster than GL who is faster than WW who is faster than Supergirl.

See how it all breaks down? You've been using Frankenstein, and WW, and Supergirl, all as proxies for Aquaman's speed - when we all have seen them perform at less than 100%.

I don't see the stone thing being a question of durability if he uses it I don't see how standard Aquaman would counter it at this point heck with it he should logically be able to beat Anyone the league though it's not something Teth uses frequently given the majority of his fights in the New52 against characters he hasn't

Lobo being able to beat on Sinestro with the yellow Aura up and make him bleed and I think we'd both agree Sinestro's ring power should be way above Teth's. Lobo hurt his hand punching Superman who didn't even blink, Aquaman punched Superman who was gone for awhile and continued to use that same fist to punch Orm sending him back a few feet in one instance and breaking his helmet in another.

Aquaman Annual 2 he and Wonder Woman fight both being possessed. In terms of durability he fought Hercules who is the God Shazam gets his strength from atleast before Darkseid Wars,

Durability wise he was able to take hits from a J'onn Jonnz who amped himself by increasing his size which he has shown to do when pulling the Brainiac ship and mentioned amping via shape-shifting when fighting Despero in the watchtower.

Forever Evil stated Aquaman was one of the strongest beings on Earth alongside Wonder Woman and Superman.