Vakorion vs. Abeloth

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Does citing a dozen sources without constructing a meaningful argument comprise winning now? He might make for a hell of a bibliographer, but he certainly hasn't made a great case here.

You only compound his failure by praising it. Your flattery compels him to surge onward.

How about you offer a counterargument?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I think Valky's talk is a bunch of pish-posh, because he's still clearly an evil lightning-spamming bastard. He's clearly dark-oriented, even if he's not as narrow minded as most Sith anymore.

As I recall, in the fight where you use Valkorion's power, the lightning ability is listed as "dark side blast". 😕

How's skyrim?

Originally posted by SunRazer
There's also Abeloth shutting down the visuals of all ships in an entire solar system, with enough potency for the disruptions to seemingly be caused by solar flares.

"We suffered many casualties upon the Emperor's return..." (Darth Marr)

Do keep in mind that Valkorion was far from his peak while performing the aforementioned action.

However, I have something better for comparison: Valkorion demonstrated the power to create beings of pure dark side energy with sheer force of will. For example, he conjured Monoliths on Ziost to spread chaos and destruction across the planet and fuel his feeding effort as a consequence. These monsters were/are virtually indestructible.

Enduring and merciless and quite possibly unkillable, Monoliths plainly illustrate the immeasurable power of their creator and are best avoided at all costs.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor

Moreover, in the upcoming Chapter 12, Valkorion will 'transform' the Outlander with his powers. The transformation would be of such a magnitude that if the Outlander was a normal individual before, he will emerge as a powerful Force-user afterwards.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
As I recall, in the fight where you use Valkorion's power, the lightning ability is listed as "dark side blast". 😕

Do the Jedi not perceive Electric Judgement as a Dark Side ability? I suppose they do. Correct me, if I am wrong.

You do good work, LeGenD.

LeGenD has impressed me recently.

Syndicate, out of curiosity, are you on anything rn?

Valkorion's teleportation feat isn't even in the same league as Abeloth wrecking the visuals of all ships across an entire solar system.

The creation of the Monoliths is off-panel and doesn't constitute something that could be brought to a fight.

Life-wiping a planet so hard the space station feels it > messing with visuals. Range isn't superior to power.

Too bad whatever Abeloth did had the approximate power of solar flares, which would also devastate planets if they were in the proximity of one. That's apart from the fact that Abeloth has subconsciously melted cities by getting angry.

And unless I'm mistaken, they felt it through the Force, and of course that would happen upon tremendous loss of life.

Planet > city. And metaphorically being compared to a solar flare isn't the same as actually being comparable to one in terms of power.

Vitiate could sneeze and it'd be felt through the Force, c'mon. 😆

Subconsciously doing it > putting in actual effort. Also, it wasn't metaphorical - they literally thought it was the work of solar flares, IIRC.

I can imagine ol'Brit Valkorion sneezing, but the Vitiate that HoT fought in the temple, with the Voldemort-slits? Nah.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Valkorion's teleportation feat isn't even in the same league as Abeloth wrecking the visuals of all ships across an entire solar system.

Valkorion's teleportation effort was not intended to accomplish that. We get to witness its residual effects.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The creation of the Monoliths is off-panel and doesn't constitute something that could be brought to a fight.

You were the one who mentioned the teleportation feat in response to me bringing up Abeloth's feat. You started the comparison - I'm just saying that it's not comparable.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You were the one who mentioned the teleportation feat in response to me bringing up Abeloth's feat. You started the comparison - I'm just saying that it's not comparable.

If Valkorion could blind virtually everybody on a massive scale (causing nuemerous casualties in the process) with just the residual effect of his teleportation effort in a weakened form; imagine the possibilities when he is at his prime and have the intention to do something similar to Abeloth's feat.

Yeah, no. A solar system is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the radius Vitiate covered.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Range isn't superior to power.

I mean, Kaan could telepathically compel every Sith in the galaxy. That's far greater range than, say, Sidious has ever shown. Is Kaan a better telepath than Sidious?

You're assuming on no basis Sidious couldn't do the same.

Seeing as he's significantly more powerful in general and more dominating as a telepath, I would say he can.

Sidious has maintained galactic telepathic influence before, anyway.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, no. A solar system is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the radius Vitiate covered.

1. Abeloth kicks a football, sending it across the field.

2. Valkorion hits the ground, the force of impact sends the football moving some distance in the field.

Therefore, range covered by Abeloth > Vitiate.

What a terrible argument. I have not seen one such in a long time.

This is my point: If Valkorion could blind virtually everybody on a massive scale (causing nuemerous casualties in the process) with just the residual effect of his teleportation effort in a weakened form; imagine the possibilities when he is at his prime and have the intention to do something similar to Abeloth's feat.

Try to understand my point.