Never across the whole galaxy to that many force users with that great an effect.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You're assuming on no basis Sidious couldn't do the same.Seeing as he's significantly more powerful in general and more dominating as a telepath, I would say he can.
Thanks for agreeing with my point.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDFixed lmao, assuming creating a blinding flash of light over kilometers remotely compares to doing the same across light years is ridiculous.
Again, your argument remains terrible. Your argument is like this:1. Abeloth kicks a football, sending it
across the field.to the moon.2. Valkorion hits the ground, the force of impact sends the football moving some distance in the field.
Therefore, range covered by Abeloth > Vitiate.
What a terrible argument. I have not seen one such in a long time.
This is my point: If Valkorion could blind virtually everybody on a massive scale (causing nuemerous casualties in the process) with just the residual effect of his teleportation effort in a weakened form; imagine the possibilities when he is at his prime and have the intention to do something similar to Abeloth's feat.
Try to understand my point.
It wouldn't even have been visible from orbit.
Originally posted by NephthysRight.
Thanks for agreeing with my point.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fixed lmao, assuming creating a blinding flash of light over kilometers remotely compares to doing the same across light years is ridiculous.It wouldn't even have been visible from orbit.Right.
2. Valkorion's teleportation effort emitted a flash of light, leading to nuemerous casualties among the forces stationed nearby or in the space.
3. The two feats are vastly different with different intent behind them.
@S_W_Legend - Yes, and here's my point - the range of the feats is so vast that even if Vitiate was stripped of the hindrances and attempted a similar feat, he probably wouldn't be able to replicate it. Your belief that he can perform something better if he tried something like that is completely unfounded and based precisely on your quantification of the feats, which you can't prove.
The analogy is more like:
1. Abeloth kicks a football 14000 meters.
2. An injured Vitiate knocks a football 3 meters by smashing the ground.
Therefore, if an uninjured Vitiate tried kicking the ball, he'd be able to replicate or exceed the 14000 meter coverage by Abeloth. That's not how it works.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDShall we start with three? Considering it would invalidate any attempt by yourself to draw a comparison between them. 😬
1. Abeloth did not unleash a flash of light.2. Valkorion's teleportation effort emitted a flash of light, leading to nuemerous casualties among the forces stationed nearby or in the space.
3. The two feats are vastly different with different intent behind them.
Except that she didn't actually do a solar flare so it's irrelevant. All she did was mess up a bunch of ships visuals with the Force. Big deal. You don't need to match the power of an actual event to do something with the Force. People have demonstrated abilities much more potent than that who are firmly beneath Valkorion.
Originally posted by SunRazer
@S_W_Legend - Yes, and here's my point - the range of the feats is so vast that even if Vitiate was stripped of the hindrances and attempted a similar feat, he probably wouldn't be able to replicate it. Your belief that he can perform something better if he tried something like that is completely unfounded and based precisely on your quantification of the feats, which you can't prove.The analogy is more like:
1. Abeloth kicks a football 14000 meters.
2. An injured Vitiate knocks a football 3 meters by smashing the ground.
Therefore, if an uninjured Vitiate tried kicking the ball, he'd be able to replicate or exceed the 14000 meter coverage by Abeloth. That's not how it works.
However, Valkorion have demonstrated the ability to affect targets from light-years distances as well as the strength to replicate Abeloth's showings in other areas.
So why this case is an exception?
Originally posted by NephthysFunnily enough its stated to be outside of Grand Master Luke's abilities, and they decide that only Abeloth would capable of such power. So naw.
Except that she didn't actually do a solar flare so it's irrelevant. All she did was mess up a bunch of ships visuals with the Force. Big deal. You don't need to match the power of an actual event to do something with the Force. People have demonstrated abilities much more potent than that who are firmly beneath Valkorion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Now, this is much better stated. Credit where due.However, Valkorion have demonstrated the ability to affect targets from light-years distances as well as the strength to replicate Abeloth's showings in other areas.
So why this case is an exception?
Aside from the fact that Vitiate hasn't replicated Abeloth's showings in other areas, this isn't how it works. Affecting targets across light-years via telekinesis is a lot different from mind controlling targets across light-years, because the latter would universally be agreed upon as a superior showing. There is no cross-comparison between different areas of the Force.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Aside from the fact that Vitiate hasn't replicated Abeloth's showings in other areas, this isn't how it works. Affecting targets across light-years via telekinesis is a lot different from mind controlling targets across light-years, because the latter would universally be agreed upon as a superior showing. There is no cross-comparison between different areas of the Force.
Kaan was mind-controlling thousands of Sith across the galaxy.....
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Funnily enough its stated to be outside of Grand Master Luke's abilities, and they decide that only Abeloth would capable of such power. So naw.
You assume Luke is comparable to Valkorion. He's transcended any mortal limits. excellent
Originally posted by SunRazer
Aside from the fact that Vitiate hasn't replicated Abeloth's showings in other areas, this isn't how it works.
Compare both in the areas of Essence Transfer, Flow-Walking, Force Deflection, Teleportation, Force Lightning, Telepathy, Alter Environment, Force Illusion, and Force Drain powers.
You are absolutely wrong, my friend. 🙂
Originally posted by SunRazer
Affecting targets across light-years via telekinesis is a lot different from mind controlling targets across light-years, because the latter would universally be agreed upon as a superior showing. There is no cross-comparison between different areas of the Force.