Unorthodox Opinions

Originally posted by Emperordmb
👆 Yeah, as emotionally powerful a moment as Ahsoka's death and Anakin flipping out would be, I feel like that would be a bit too heavy. Like if Ahsoka was legit killed, I almost feel like Anakin's reaction to that would disrupt his relationship with the order a little too much for the rest of the story to make sense. As less spectacular as it is for Anakin, I feel like the more subtle nature of him feeling completely helpless, not to the point of rage but by the fact that he's constrained by somebody else's completely justified rage, and is losing someone even though he managed to save them.

Aside from Anakin though, yeah, you are completely right about how it wouldn't do Ahsoka's character justice, with the emotionally powerful moment of her leaving the Jedi Order, and for both Ahsoka and Anakin, it allows for their reunion and another emotionally powerful scene, as well as for the best episode in Rebels and the best fight scene in Rebels.

Entirely agree on Ahsoka vs Vader as well, that was the perfect ending for the character, and an appropriate one too, because Rebels isn't her story, she's the mentor figure now, so she pulled a Kenobi.

I wouldn't agree with you about Ahsoka being the primary protagonist, or even there being a single primary protagonist in general, I feel like TCW revolved around a few main characters, of which Ahsoka and Anakin happen to be two. I do agree with the point you're making about Ahsoka having her own story, and being developed as more than a mere foil to Anakin however. I would think the several episodes where she appears with minimal involvement from Anakin should be proof enough of this, yet people seem to think she's only a foil for Anakin for some reason.

Which is why its important her story was given full culmination and closure.

Yeah Ahsoka, a teenage padawan, calling them on their shit and up and leaving was pretty damn effective.

And as far as the faults of the Jedi go... we kinda see them more and more with all the retarded shit Yoda does in the series, and season six specifically.

Wow I came to the exact same conclusion in the beginning of my response to your comment despite not having read your whole comment first.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lmao the sheer irony. 😂

Lol, you clearly care enough to respond in favour of her dying, them accuse me of being a fanboy for believing otherwise.

And if I believe someone's opinion to be wrong I will tell them, and then tell them why. Suck it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol, you clearly care enough to respond in favour of her dying, them accuse me of being a fanboy for believing otherwise.

And if I believe someone's opinion to be wrong I will tell them, and then tell them why. Suck it.

Gosh take your whining elsewhere, I really don't have the patience.

He says as he writes up a thesis about why he really doesn't have time for this.

>Because your whining is relevant to the actual topic and came before my response. 😬

Because I totally didn't respond to the topic at hand. Though I guess you are right. You being a long winded, Ahsoka idolizer is hardly an unorthodox opinion.

As to DMB, I don't think most people thought they were going to execute Barris. Kind of against the Jedi's MO. That doesn't really mean this being the one time where they did kill someone would be bad story telling. It would kind of show just how far the Jedi have fallen during the war.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Rebels and the best fight scene in Rebels.

Which we like...barely saw and didn't get a real ending. :/

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
As to DMB, I don't think most people thought they were going to execute Barris. Kind of against the Jedi's MO. That doesn't really mean this being the one time where they did kill someone would be bad story telling. It would kind of show just how far the Jedi have fallen during the war.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
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That not what the arc is about, that's the backdrop; rather it's the culmination of Ahsoka's hero's journey, of her story arc, where she realises the Jedi are shite and makes the decision to leave them. Having Ahsoka die before that revelation and resolution therefore would be to spoil her personal narrative quite completely.

Lmao this is gold.

There isn't a single protagonist of the Clone Wars, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Half of the episodes don't even have Ahsoka in them, the series isn't about her progression through the Jedi Order, it's about the Clone Wars in their entirety. It's about the republic, the separatists, how the war cannot simply be seen as black and white, how there are those on both sides who are wrong and right. Ahsoka's transition through the order is as much a side plot as Kenobi's fling with Satene.

The show wouldn't be any different without her, it takes the role of the expanded universe. It's sole purpose is to shine a light on the unseen characters of the films, to explore in far greater detail the main characters who, in truth, we barely saw anything of on the big screen. To sum it all up as Ahsoka's story is downright retarded.

Furthermore, you define the plot of those last episodes when you say:

this about what happens to a budding Jedi against the backdrop of a false war, a failing Jedi, a corrupt Senate and a cast of characters doomed to various extremities.

Exactly. But none of that had any consequences, Ahsoka wasn't forced out of what she loved being, she was given the opportunity to come back. She chose to leave. There's no emotional impact about her leaving, literally no one gives a shit, people care about her scene with Anakin. The upsetting revelation that the two won't see each other again, in those forms, no matter what happens. His hatred of the Jedi, who he believes to be behind that. How much greater of an upset would that scene have been, how much deeper, had Ahsoka died?

And for what? To "show the faults of the Jedi"? As if we haven't already seen them, and as if kicking Ahsoka out of the Order then having the hubris to invite her back in like it was all just a big trial didn't demonstrate that quite plainly.

No, it didn't demonstrate that. No more than anything else in the series already had. The Jedi had made the same mistake with Ventress already. With Ahsoka the writers had a chance to make the Jedi's shortsighted and selfish political machinations mean something, to garner a hatred of the Jedi analogous of the Coruscanti public opinion. Instead you're left seeing it as an innocent mistake with no consequences, since Ahsoka was given the chance to have everything return to normal but chose not to.

And as for giving weight to Anakin's issues with the Jedi, lawls, as if the Council again kicking Ahsoka out of the Order was not sufficient. Indeed if Ahsoka had died as if he wouldn't have pissed off immediately, and/or gone dark side. That would have been too much, and would have made Anakin's growing anger and mistrust towards the Jedi rather bizarre and redundant.

Yes, because her dying and her being kicked out are exactly the same thing 🙄

And actually, seeing Anakin's sheer anger at her death would have made a lot of sense. He didn't have to fall to the Dark Side immediately, but Revenge of the Sith literally starts with him beheading an unarmed prisoner. The Jedi Council even refuse to grant him the title of Master, for an unexplained reason. Their being wary of him after this incident would make much more sense, if it's because he had an episode after Ahsoka died.

You keep talking though, as if Ahsoka's character development would be ruined if she had died. The fact is, Ahsoka's character should have been irrelevant, after the Clone Wars anyway. She wasn't the main character, no matter how much you want to believe that, and had she died the audience would have come to the conclusion that the Jedi were wrong in her stead. The fact is, she didn't die solely so they could bring her into Rebels to boost ratings.

Literally the only reason you're arguing she was better off alive is because you gained new fap-worthy material from Rebels. Had rebels not existed, there would be no denying that the better storyline would have been to have Ahsoka die...

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Ahsoka is still infinitely more important than Shaak Ti tbfh

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol, you clearly care enough to respond in favour of her dying, them accuse me of being a fanboy for believing otherwise.

I mean, he's probably calling you a fanboy because you wank her higher than DMB wanks Bane, comparatively to where they both should fall, and because you had her as your avatar and sig for about 3 months 😕

Originally posted by Emperordmb

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Ahsoka is still infinitely more important than Shaak Ti tbfh

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by that logic, Bane's 10 second appearance in canon makes him infinitely less important than Shaak, who appeared in numerous episodes 🙂

Originally posted by Selenial

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by that logic, Bane's 10 second appearance in canon makes him infinitely less important than Shaak, who appeared in numerous episodes 🙂

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Except Bane started the Banite order even in canon, which is far more impactful than anything Shaak has done in canon. Interesting that a short ghost appearance and a SW.com article can make canon Bane infinitely more important than canon Shaak

Originally posted by Emperordmb
That's not what I was saying. I was just saying it amused me how everyone was willing to kill Ahsoka when her guilt was ambiguous, yet when Barriss blatantly admits it was her, that's when everyone decides execution is wrong.

It's pretty obvious. They found ahsoka annoying af too.

Originally posted by Emperordmb

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Except Bane started the Banite order even in canon, which is far more impactful than anything Shaak has done in canon. Interesting that a short ghost appearance and a SW.com article can make canon Bane infinitely more important than canon Shaak

Unlike you tho we don't need our favourite characters to be the most important and powerful ever.

In short, you can only get erect by Gary Sues.

Originally posted by Selenial
Lmao this is gold.

There isn't a single protagonist of the Clone Wars, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Half of the episodes don't even have Ahsoka in them, the series isn't about her progression through the Jedi Order, it's about the Clone Wars in their entirety. It's about the republic, the separatists, how the war cannot simply be seen as black and white, how there are those on both sides who are wrong and right. Ahsoka's transition through the order is as much a side plot as Kenobi's fling with Satene.

The show wouldn't be any different without her, it takes the role of the expanded universe. It's sole purpose is to shine a light on the unseen characters of the films, to explore in far greater detail the main characters who, in truth, we barely saw anything of on the big screen. To sum it all up as Ahsoka's story is downright retarded.

Exactly. But none of that had any consequences, Ahsoka wasn't forced out of what she loved being, she was given the opportunity to come back. She chose to leave. There's no emotional impact about her leaving, literally no one gives a shit, people care about her scene with Anakin. The upsetting revelation that the two won't see each other again, in those forms, no matter what happens. His hatred of the Jedi, who he believes to be behind that. How much greater of an upset would that scene have been, how much deeper, had Ahsoka died?

Regardless her choice to do so is what makes it so fundamentally important and emotionally resonant, because she's taking control of her own destiny, and doing the right thing turns out not to be sticking with the outwardly appearing good guys.

As for no one giving a shit, what? I don't even... Pretty sure turning away from as Anakin puts it "her life" is fundamental to why people give a shit. But also because by leaving the corrupt and failing Order, she represents hope for her future and the future in general. A bittersweet ending so to speak.

And if Ahsoka had died? Well it would have been entirely one-sided, the word castrated comes to mind.

No, it didn't demonstrate that. No more than anything else in the series already had. The Jedi had made the same mistake with Ventress already. With Ahsoka the writers had a chance to make the Jedi's shortsighted and selfish political machinations mean something, to garner a hatred of the Jedi analogous of the Coruscanti public opinion. Instead you're left seeing it as an innocent mistake with no consequences, since Ahsoka was given the chance to have everything return to normal but chose not to.

Yes, because her dying and her being kicked out are exactly the same thing 🙄

And actually, seeing Anakin's sheer anger at her death would have made a lot of sense. He didn't have to fall to the Dark Side immediately, but Revenge of the Sith literally starts with him beheading an unarmed prisoner. The Jedi Council even refuse to grant him the title of Master, for an unexplained reason. Their being wary of him after this incident would make much more sense, if it's because he had an episode after Ahsoka died.

You keep talking though, as if Ahsoka's character development would be ruined if she had died. The fact is, Ahsoka's character should have been irrelevant, after the Clone Wars anyway. She wasn't the main character, no matter how much you want to believe that, and had she died the audience would have come to the conclusion that the Jedi were wrong in her stead. The fact is, she didn't die solely so they could bring her into Rebels to boost ratings.

Anyway we are not talking about after the Clone Wars, and if you want to believe that Ahsoka is not TCW's principle character despite undergoing the most development, very well, that doesn't change the fact that this is her arc, and though Ahsoka certainly could have died in TCW, in the contexts of the arc we were given it wouldn't have worked.

Literally the only reason you're arguing she was better off alive is because you gained new fap-worthy material from Rebels.

Had rebels not existed, there would be no denying that the better storyline would have been to have Ahsoka die...

Originally posted by Selenial
I mean, he's probably calling you a fanboy because you wank her higher than DMB wanks Bane, comparatively to where they both should fall, and because you had her as your avatar and sig for about 3 months 😕

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
It's pretty obvious. They found ahsoka annoying af too.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Unlike you tho we don't need our favourite characters to be the most important and powerful ever.

In short, you can only get erect by Gary Sues.

But Zoltan, since you seem intent on bitching others out for their preference in characters (myself and Beni), why don't you bother defending why you like Shaak Ti, Cade, Talon or any of your other favorite characters, and explain what substantive traits they have in your eyes beyond badassitude?