Punisher vs Depowered Thor

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Your point? Punisher never took on ninja assasins. Also, the breadth and knowledge of the Armed Forces Elite trained units vastly outmatches that of Ninjas. You're obviously not really clear on the kind of training they have to go through.

Anyway, point is, all we have to go on is Thor easily taking down Shield's most highly trained agents whilst being unarmed. Punisher never takes down highly skilled combatants at ANY point during DD season 2 while he's unarmed. Every time Punisher won a fight he used a weapon of some kind. Same applies here.

He took on Daredevil who was a ninja basically. And Daredevil was beating multiple ninjas in H2H. You're the one who's unclear on the military. H2H is just one small part of their training, even the elite like the SEALS are mediocre fighters when compared to pro fighters.

Punisher took down Daredevil in their first encounter and no, I'm not talking about when he shot him. Before that he had Daredevil helpless on the ground, but chose to walk away.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He took on Daredevil who was a ninja basically. And Daredevil was beating multiple ninjas in H2H. You're the one who's unclear on the military. H2H is just one small part of their training, even the elite like the SEALS are mediocre fighters when compared to pro fighters.

Punisher took down Daredevil in their first encounter and no, I'm not talking about when he shot him. Before that he had Daredevil helpless on the ground, but chose to walk away.

He punched Daredevil and walked off. That would have hardly been the end of it btw. We've seen DD take MUCH worse and turn the tables on tons of occasions. Also, it was made clear that at the end when DD knew what Frank's fighting style was; he trashed him. DD embarrassed Punisher in their last fight. All Punisher could do was get mad and throw a fit.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I'm not unclear of the military genius, I was in the Armed forces for 5 years. Also, you can be a great fighter but 90% of REAL fights end on the ground. Fact. Navy seals/Green Berets/ Marine Recons etc are all trained to be killers. They are great at h2h fighting but more importantly, know above all else, how to survive at any cost.

No, he punched Daredevil and walked off. That would have hardly been the end of it btw. We've seen DD take MUCH worse and turn the tables on tons of occasions. Also, it was made clear that at the end when DD knew what Frank's fighting style was; he trashed him. DD embarrassed Punisher in their last fight. All Punisher could do was get mad and throw a fit.

Then why do Navy SEALS who go pro end up as mediocre fighters? Soldiers are trained killers, this is true, but they're not 100% focused on H2H, that's just one part of their training, unlike professional fighters, or ficitonal ninjas.

No, it really would have been the end of it. Punisher could have curb stomped him if he wanted, he could have shot him, he could have given him a wedgy if he wanted to. The Punisher was pretty badly injured and emotionally distraught (more so than usual) in their last fight. In their first two fights they were peers, DP Thor can't say the same just because of one feat.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Then why do Navy SEALS who go pro end up as mediocre fighters? Soldiers are trained killers, this is true, but they're not 100% focused on H2H, that's just one part of their training, unlike professional fighters, or ficitonal ninjas.

No, it really would have been the end of it. Punisher could have curb stomped him if he wanted, he could have shot him, he could have given him a wedgy if he wanted to. The Punisher was pretty badly injured and emotionally distraught (more so than usual) in their last fight. In their first two fights they were peers, DP Thor can't say the same just because of one feat.

Name the supposed Seals that have gone pro. I'm not saying that every Seal is going to just waltz into an mma ring and win a fight. But a Seal in the open vs an mma fighter is going to win 100% of the time.

Also, I hear alot of coulda woulda soulda from you without any proof to back it up. The ONLY Facts we have are what actually happened. In their last fight, it was made clear that DD>Punisher in h2h. You have nothing to stand on after that. Nothing.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Rhonda rousey was in the military and became one of the best female MMA fighters ever.

Name the supposed Seals that have gone pro. I'm not saying that every Seal is going to just waltz into an mma ring and win a fight. But a Seal in the open vs an mma fighter is going to win 100% of the time.

Also, I hear alot of coulda woulda soulda from you without any proof to back it up. The ONLY Facts we have are what actually happened. In their last fight, it was made clear that DD>Punisher in h2h. You have nothing to stand on after that. Nothing.

Why not just say Thor wins and be over it

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Rhonda rousey was in the military and became one of the best female MMA fighters ever.

Name the supposed Seals that have gone pro. I'm not saying that every Seal is going to just waltz into an mma ring and win a fight. But a Seal in the open vs an mma fighter is going to win 100% of the time.

Also, I hear alot of coulda woulda soulda from you without any proof to back it up. The ONLY Facts we have are what actually happened. In their last fight, it was made clear that DD>Punisher in h2h. You have nothing to stand on after that. Nothing.

Lol, Rhonda is one of the absolutely worst fighters ever. She only held her title because the women's division is trash. She was flattened when she fought a competent striker.

Eh, I remember reading about one but I forgot the name. Regardless, there are plenty of fighers with Army/Navy backgrounds. It's really only logical that a guy trains for nothing but H2H is gonna be better than a guy trains for H2H + a bunch of other shit.

The fact is that Punisher got the drop on DD twice in their first encounter, and stalemated him in their second encounter. Even if he did lose the third fight, which I deny, they're still peers.

So who do you think wins? I was basing this off the movie Punisher. Now that there is another one, I will have to wait to see the new guy in action.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lol, Rhonda is one of the absolutely worst fighters ever. She only held her title because the women's division is trash. She was flattened when she fought a competent striker.

Eh, I remember reading about one but I forgot the name. Regardless, there are plenty of fighers with Army/Navy backgrounds. It's really only logical that a guy trains for nothing but H2H is gonna be better than a guy trains for H2H + a bunch of other shit.

The fact is that Punisher got the drop on DD twice in their first encounter, and stalemated him in their second encounter. Even if he did lose the third fight, which I deny, they're still peers.

OH, Great proof there. Glad "all these" Seals that go pro are somone you read about. I guess I'll take your word for it right? I've seen SEALS doing their fight training. It's intense. Far more professional that alot of the stuff the shit ninjas in DD pulled.

And Punisher is not peers with DD in H2H. It was proven in their final encounter. DD embarrassed Punisher. Then he tried to help Punisher off the ground and Punisher threw a fit. Again, it was made clear. DD had had enough and learned Punishers' fighting style.

Unarmed, DD>> Punisher.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
No, she got beat because she's an idiot who greatly overestimated her skill and underestimated her opponent. I was just using her fame and winning percentage as a fact to shove in your face.

OH, Great proof there. Glad "all these" Seals that go pro are somone you read about. I guess I'll take your word for it right? I've seen SEALS doing their fight training. It's intense. Far more professional that alot of the stuff the shit ninjas in DD pulled.

And Punisher is not peers with DD in H2H. It was proven in their final encounter. DD embarrassed Punisher. Then he tried to help Punisher off the ground and Punisher threw a fit. Again, it was made clear. DD had had enough and learned Punishers' fighting style.

Unarmed, DD>> Punisher.

So in other words she was trash.

I'll look for them tomorrow. I'll see if I can find anything.

So Punisher wins one, stalemates him the second time, and loses one (ignoring context, of course) and that somehow means DD is >> Punisher? Great math.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So in other words she was trash.

I'll look for them tomorrow. I'll see if I can find anything.

So Punisher wins one, stalemates him the second time, and loses one (ignoring context, of course) and that somehow means DD is >> Punisher? Great math.

Third fight DD had a pistol taped to his hand and still beat Punisher. And their final fight DD embarrassed Punisher.

So, that's 2 wins for DD
1 win for Punisher
and a draw.

That's the math; DD wins.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
No, it was build up. DD didn't know what to expect from Punisher in their first fight. It's the only fight he legit won because of that. DD would have won the second fight but the events of Punisher shooting him point blank in the face from the first fight brought his senses back into overload. Punisher could barely walk and Daredevil was fine until his senses went nuts.

Third fight DD had a pistol taped to his hand and still beat Punisher. And their final fight DD embarrassed Punisher.

So, that's 2 wins for DD
1 win for Punisher
and a draw.

That's the math; DD wins.

First of all, Punisher didn't know DD's style either, so it's completely fair.

Second you can't honestly consider the third episode fight. Punisher wasn't even trying to fight him there, he was more interested in stirring shit up with the bikers.

Third, the Punisher was focused the guy who he thought was Blacksmith, and wasn't really trying to fight DD.

Finally, even if it was 2-1 and one draw would still make them peers with perhaps an edge to DD.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Finally, even if it was 2-1 and one draw would still make them peers with perhaps an edge to DD.