i didn't state cause of endangerement. Don't straw man me with your emotions. Answer my questions. Can you name animals that practice homosexuality that aren't endangered?
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Oh Jesus, those animals you've mentioned are endangered by us humans hunting them & NOT because there's homosexuality in their species.Why don't you just admit you're a homophobe instead of trying to justify a stance with ridiculous claims.
Originally posted by FinalAnsweri said ancient societies over millennia saw homosexuality as a bad practice. I do like your examples though and I'm not going to deny anything you've said. However, here's something that will in fact, justify why ancient societies over millennia have thought homosexuality was bad.
The Greeks thought homosexuality was a great thing to partake in, and sometimes superior to heterosexual relationships. The Romans were fine with homosexual behaviour until their conversion to Christianity, they just looked down on being submissive in a relationship. The Native Americans didn't give a shit if you were gay. The Japanese didn't give a shit if you were gay. The Chinese didn't give a shit until the late Imperial period due to influence from Christianity and Islam.This is just off the top of my head, but most bigotry towards homosexuality seems to derive from Judeo-Christian culture. So no, regardless of whatever evolutionary argument you're making, "most cultures" did not hate homosexuality.
Ancient Greece collapsed, Rome collapsed and became Christian for 2000 years, the native Americans were raped, shot, enslaved and are almost extinct, the Japanese had serious problems until western influences and China, a place that was almost the last place to be colonised by western imperialism in the world, has suddenly become one of the most homophobic nations in the world. It is not a coincidence that it's now one of he most powerful, one of the leaders of science and technology and medicine, one of the leaders of finance and job creation, one of the richest and yes, the largest populated country, about 1/6th of the earths population. The west, on the other hand, has been more open to homosexuality and is losing its political influence of the world, as well as its population, minus the immigration. Although, homophobic United States is still kicking ass.
Have I made my point yet?
Originally posted by It's xyz!
i didn't state cause of endangerement. Don't straw man me with your emotions. Answer my questions. Can you name animals that practice homosexuality that aren't endangered?
http://listverse.com/2013/04/20/10-animals-that-practice-homosexuality/
Are all the animals on there endangered?
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I can't wait to hear how China's population is on the brink of collapse because of gay Chinese people doing gay things to themselves.
Obviously!
(He needs to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation)
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Oh Jesus, those animals you've mentioned are endangered by us humans hunting them & NOT because there's homosexuality in their species.Why don't you just admit you're a homophobe instead of trying to justify a stance with ridiculous claims.
Sorry, but t's a known fact that the black rhino and lowland gorilla are in danger of extinction because 99.9% of them are gay
XYZ has engaged in homosexual activities himself(openly mentioned in KMC and another forum), he's just a self-hater
Originally posted by SurturNo, but there are other factors.
http://listverse.com/2013/04/20/10-animals-that-practice-homosexuality/Are all the animals on there endangered?
Rams, for example have their women taken away and turned into human food. This has been going on for millennia. It's no surprise to me that they form bromances, it also states they don't mate. I don't consider that homosexual.
Albatrosses are endangered
http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/albatross/
Dolphins are endangered
http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/cetaceans/
Bonobos are endangered
http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/great_apes/bonobo/
I didn't find anything on the Andean cock of the rock
Lions are listed as vulnerable, according to google, but their habitat is threatened
https://gifts.worldwildlife.org/gift-center/gifts/Species-Adoptions/Lion.aspx?sc=AWY1200WCW00
Penguins are endangered
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/penguin
Gulls are not endangered. But they do steal our food a lot.
Giraffes are listed as least concern. However, there population like everything above minus Rams and gulls, is decreasing
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/extinction-countdown/giraffes-under-threat-populations-down-40-percent-in-just-15-years/
Dragonflies are listed as not extinct, but they are endangered
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1e988a9cfcd2428092a0f880268642cc/endangered-dragonflies-raised-captivity-being-released
So, not all of them.
Okay well I really feel like someone who has bitten off way more then he can chew here. For example I could of gone without reading the following sentence:
"Same sex encounters also satisfy the bird’s desire for opportunities to express their promiscuous and highly developed mating drive, thereby increasing social stability among the normally edgy birds."
Hmmm:
"Lions have some of the strongest sex drives of any cat species, meaning that the encounters are probably more . . . purposeful than same sex interactions among birds or rams."
Well I brought this on my f*cking self I guess.
Originally posted by Surturcock of the rock could be endangered, I just didn't find any data. Apparently they're popular pets in Peru, so that might be why they're not endangered.
So then would you agree that not every animal that shows homosexual behavior is endangered?Also how awesome is it that there is a bird named "Cock of the rock".
Gulls eat trash from humans so are not endangered because of lots of food and Rams are not endangered because they're bred by humans.... They're not homosexual either.
I would agree it's not every animal, but the two mentioned are helped by humans. Gulls especially.
Originally posted by Surturthat article was full of all sorts of shit. Two female albertrosses sharing a nest with eggs, and one of them fertilised from an "on the side" encounter. **** off California. You're basically saying albertrosses sharing nests of Infertile eggs is homosexual?
Okay well I really feel like someone who has bitten off way more then he can chew here. For example I could of gone without reading the following sentence:[b]"Same sex encounters also satisfy the bird’s desire for opportunities to express their promiscuous and highly developed mating drive, thereby increasing social stability among the normally edgy birds."
Hmmm:
"Lions have some of the strongest sex drives of any cat species, meaning that the encounters are probably more . . . purposeful than same sex interactions among birds or rams."
Well I brought this on my f*cking self I guess. [/B]
Shit, I bet chickens are massive lesbians by that logic.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
that article was full of all sorts of shit. Two female albertrosses sharing a nest with eggs, and one of them fertilised from an "on the side" encounter. **** off California. You're basically saying albertrosses sharing nests of Infertile eggs is homosexual?Shit, I bet chickens are massive lesbians by that logic.
I think they more or less called lions rapists too. Now I see Simba in a completely different way.
Originally posted by Surturi heard scar tried to rape lana in a deleted scene haermm
I think they more or less called lions rapists too. Now I see Simba in a completely different way.
They can't call lion male on male love purposeful though.
That's like if you let 25 random strangers in your house and 2 of them wrecked the place. You can't say they wrecked the place purposefully.
Originally posted by Surtur
It's one of those birth defects that lies dormant for a long time, like alcoholism.
When you make statements like this, it's hard to be certain whether or not you know how closely aspects of the two actually parallel one another:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=611361
Originally posted by bluewaterriderthis is because the idea that certain behaviours are genetic is actually bullshit.
When you make statements like this, it's hard to be certain whether or not you know how closely aspects of the two actually parallel one another:http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=611361
ADD is not genetically programmed, schizophrenia is not genetically programmed, alcoholism, homosexuality, etc. Etc.
They market this shit as genetic (mental illnesses) as genetic or autism so the patient thinks they were born predetermined to have a tendency to abhorrent behaviour. Rather than thinking the prescribed medication is a piece of shit, and a greater sense of self or changing ones environment/perspective is the solution.
i don't know which came first, homosexuality or alcoholism though. Ancient Greeks and Romans did love wine however.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
ADD is not genetically programmed, schizophrenia is not genetically programmed, alcoholism, homosexuality, etc. Etc.
*Citation Needed*
While we wait for that, here's what the Mayo clinic has to say in regards to the topic:
Mental illnesses, in general, are thought to be caused by a variety of genetic and environmental factors:
-Inherited traits. Mental illness is more common in people whose blood relatives also have a mental illness. Certain genes may increase your risk of developing a mental illness, and your life situation may trigger it.
-Environmental exposures before birth. Exposure to environmental stressors, inflammatory conditions, toxins, alcohol or drugs while in the womb can sometimes be linked to mental illness.
-Brain chemistry. Neurotransmitters are naturally occurring brain chemicals that carry signals to other parts of your brain and body. When the neural networks involving these chemicals are impaired, the function of nerve receptors and nerve systems change, leading to depression.
Alcohol use disorder
-Genetic, psychological, social and environmental factors can impact how drinking alcohol affects your body and behavior. Theories suggest that for certain people drinking has a different and stronger impact that can lead to alcohol use disorder.
-Over time, drinking too much alcohol may change the normal function of the areas of your brain associated with the experience of pleasure, judgment and the ability to exercise control over your behavior. This may result in craving alcohol to try to restore good feelings or reduce negative ones.
Originally posted by Robtard
*Citation Needed*While we wait for that, here's what the Mayo clinic has to say in regards to the topic:
Mental illnesses, [b] in general, are thought to be caused
by a variety of genetic and environmental factors:-Inherited traits. Mental illness is more common in people whose blood relatives also have a mental illness. Certain genes may increase your risk of developing a mental illness, and your life situation may trigger it.
-Environmental exposures before birth. Exposure to environmental stressors, inflammatory conditions, toxins, alcohol or drugs while in the womb can sometimes be linked to mental illness.
-Brain chemistry. Neurotransmitters are naturally occurring brain chemicals that carry signals to other parts of your brain and body. When the neural networks involving these chemicals are impaired, the function of nerve receptors and nerve systems change, leading to depression.Alcohol use disorder
-Genetic, psychological, social and environmental factors can impact how drinking alcohol affects your body and behavior. Theories suggest that for certain people drinking has a different and stronger impact that can lead to alcohol use disorder.
-Over time, drinking too much alcohol may change the normal function of the areas of your brain associated with the experience of pleasure, judgment and the ability to exercise control over your behavior. This may result in craving alcohol to try to restore good feelings or reduce negative ones.
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Claims on a forum don't need citations, quotes which you provided do. Posting contradiction, you are.
This also ignores many many other more damaging factors. Economic poverty, relative isolation, the media, etc. These things shape society greatly. With regard to alcohol, it's one of the most celebrated drink in society. It's one of those things people can't seem to escape, and it's not because of the drug. It's the advertisers, the music and television industries and cinema associating alcohol with young adults with high sex drives. Psychologically, this can cause people who drink to be depressed because that association and expectation isn't always reached in the real world, and most people know this.
With regard to mental illness, it's interesting to know who gets addicted. During colonial China, opium was advertised and sold and addiction was high. This can be compared to antidepressants in the USA. Did Chinese people have a genetic predisposition to opium? In the way that Americans with add parents have a genetic predisposition to sudafed? It looks to me that you're not doing much thinking here Rob.
Claims do need citation(as support), if you want to be taken seriously. Which you seem to be content with not being as you rarely support yours.
I noted that what I quoted is from the "Mayo Clinic", which is a well known medical practice/research group. So is "contradiction" another word you're unsure of the meaning?
Edit: To prove my claim above, see the quote below:
Originally posted by Robtard
While we wait for that, here's what the Mayo clinic has to say in regards to the topic: