Originally posted by It's xyz!
Greece did however convert to orthodox Christianity and Judaism. Homosexuality in Greece declined and the Byzantine empire spread. There were many reasons why Rome collapsed, yes. Mostly it was too big, but the Holy Roman Empire managed to survive much much longer thereafter. As did Catholicism in Europe. The Native Americans died mostly from disease. It was a biological war, if anything. Breeding and domesticated animals caused Europeans to be strong and resistant to small pox and plagues. Native Americans, we're not. The Japanese still have problems. Traditional China fell into decline because Europeans were better than the Chinese. I think China will be fine. They're incredibly rich and have a lot of graduates. I wouldn't be surprised if these graduates find jobs in the United States, like they're already doing. California, for example. I don't know much about the Qing dynasty or republican China, I assume they were imperialist and resistant to Europeans who had conquered the rest of Asia, but still did business. In the 21st century though, China really is a powerful leader. Leading in business, medicine and other things. They're also the most populated and most homophobic. Need I remind you they have more graduates than any other country? The European Union will have its population relatively stabilised after the baby boomers go? You mean the biggest boom Europe had (which was nothing like the one in the us btw, Germany, for example didn't start until 1955). I'm sure this will decline europes population a lot be it not for the number of Arabs and south Asians immigrating, Muslims are very good at breeding due to harsh religious laws btw. I'm pretty sure white Europeans will decline in the next 20 years.
The Byzantine Empire most certainly did not spread; asides from the campaigns of Justinian, the Byzantine Empire went through a constant, steady decline, and would have been destroyed straight up by the Caliphate in the 8th century had it not been for the centralization of Constantinople and the defences of the Theodosian walls and its unique geography. If anything, I would blame the woes of the Byzantines, a decidedly heterosexual people, on its obscene population decline, which was worse then pagan Rome during the 2nd century. But that would be ignoring other factors, like the Plague of Justinian and shifting climates. Just like how you'd have to be ignoring every other factor to try and equate homosexuality with the fall of civilizations.
The Native Americans weren't nearly wiped out because of "weak breeding", it was because smallpox is a horrible disease for people already used to it, let alone an ethnicity that has no exposure or resistances to it. China for thousands of years didn't give a shit if you were gay or not, and remained a constant regional superpower, yet they've been intolerant for something like 60 years or so and this is proof that homophobia is somehow superior? Lmao.
You can't equate any correlation between tolerance of homosexuality and the fall of a nation, its impact on growth is minuscule compared to farming techniques, economics, weather, ect. You made the absurd claim that most societies in history saw homosexuality as a bad practice, I then proved you wrong with several notable examples, and now you're fumbling, trying to say "B-B-But those guise all collapsed and suck.", as if every country 1000 years ago hasn't either fallen apart or undergone enough radical changes to constitute becoming something completely different. Go home kid.