Darth Krayt/Darth Wyyrlok vs. Arcann/Darth Nox

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh, see I didn't (and still don't) think he actually attacked the first time.

Oh, and there's no point having the power to defend against anything if you don't know how to defend against it.

The 4 masters were combined > Traya, but she had a technique they didn't know how to defend against. Nox is obviously in the same position.

Well obviously, because otherwise your argument would suffer.

Prove it. 🙂

(also lol @ your two-faced argument. You'd happily use the deleted content of Traya pwning the Masters all at once when it suits you to but now that it doesn't....)

Originally posted by Selenial
The 4 masters were combined > Traya

Originally posted by Selenial
It's actually shown very well with the new KOTFE storyline. Using Valkorion's power takes insane tolls on the body of whoever is using it. I challenge any of you to prove Nox is exempt to this...

KEK, Nox had her body reshaped by the Mother Machine so she could use the combined ghost power without suffering.

Do you even Nox?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well obviously, because otherwise your argument would suffer.

Prove it. 🙂

(also lol @ your two-faced argument. You'd happily use the deleted content of Traya pwning the Masters all at once when it suits you to but now that it doesn't....)

What? It's exactly the same with the 3 person scene. I do not believe Traya > Kavar, Vrook and Zez combined.

Even if she were, Nihilus was not stronger than the entirety of Katarr. Vitiate was not stronger than all of Nathema. They just had undefendable attacks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
KEK, Nox had her body reshaped by the Mother Machine so she could use the combined ghost power without suffering.

Do you even Nox?

She was reshaped so they didn't kill her, that doesn't mean she can use them constantly.

I mean seriously, give me one reason why a Sith obsessed with power wouldn't use them constantly if she could.

Also please continue to ignore every other area of the argument, really showing your strength here Neph 🙂

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Nexus or not, tanking a ****ing massive Force Storm like it's absolutely nothing, literally just standing there taking the full power of the bolts >> anything Wyyrlok throws at Nox with the Force.

And Thanaton's lightning is prominent enough to allow him to fly, no Nexus.

Not to butt in here but:

You're assessment is incorrect. Guy is groaning in pain and everything.

And visual spectacle is hardly a proper way of assessing ability. Wyyrlok is more powerful than a weakened Thanaton, so of course he could unleash a more potent attack.

On the other hand Wyyrlok was able to repel the offensive powers of Darth Krayt, so who really has the advantage here?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
On the other hand Wyyrlok was able to repel the offensive powers of Darth Krayt, so who really has the advantage here?

But mah swtoooooooooooooooooooooooor!!!!!

Originally posted by Selenial
What? It's exactly the same with the 3 person scene. I do not believe Traya > Kavar, Vrook and Zez combined.

Even if she were, Nihilus was not stronger than the entirety of Katarr. Vitiate was not stronger than all of Nathema. They just had undefendable attacks.

I'm not seeing any proof that Thanaton used such an attack.

Originally posted by Selenial
She was reshaped so they didn't kill her, that doesn't mean she can use them constantly.

I mean seriously, give me one reason why a Sith obsessed with power wouldn't use them constantly if she could.

Also please continue to ignore every other area of the argument, really showing your strength here Neph 🙂

Whats the difference? It was reshaped so she could wield the power freely, no negative effects at all. Why would it hurt her to use considering that?

I kind of assumed she basically was. Its not like we get to see much of TOR's combat. I figured the purple energy was mainly stylistic and absence doesn't necessarily mean she isn't using the ghosts. But if Nox can backhand Thanatons lightning normally, sign me up for that shit. But I think thats pretty much all she didn't use it for.

I said I'd reply to the rest later or tomorrow. I know that you're basically obsessed with me, but theres no need to be so thirsty atm.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Eh?

Not to butt in here but:

You're assessment is incorrect. Guy is groaning in pain and everything.

And visual spectacle is hardly a proper way of assessing ability. Wyyrlok is more powerful than a weakened Thanaton, so of course he could unleash a more potent attack.

On the other hand Wyyrlok was able to repel the offensive powers of Darth Krayt, so who really has the advantage here?

Okay, so he might have been in pain for a few seconds, but If you watch the whole video, in the end he just shrugs off the attack and proceeds to make Thanaton his *****.

It's not only visual spectacle. It's a huge Force Storm. It is obviously powerful. Considering Thanaton's lightning is powerful enough to allow him to fly, I seriously doubt his Force Storm is just something anyone can tank, much less so impressively done.

Krayt never attacked Wyyrlok with a Force Storm of that magnitude.

When Nox is explictly drawing on the power of the ghosts, his eyes start glowing, so it stands to reason he is not when they do not.

And logically speaking they should be a finite resource, so it wouldn't be wise to draw on their power constantly.

I believe it is stated Nox was reshaped so that the Force Ghosts simply don't take a toll on his body.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Okay, so he might have been in pain for a few seconds, but If you watch the whole video, in the end he just brushes off the attack and proceeds to make Thanaton his *****.

It's not only visual spectacle. It's a huge Force Storm. It is obviously powerful. Considering Thanaton's lightning is powerful enough to allow him to fly, I seriously doubt his Force Storm is just something anyone can tank, much less so impressively done.

Krayt never attacked Wyyrlok with a Force Storm of that magnitude.

I'm not saying its not powerful, but your implication that its better than anything Wyyrlok can produce is false. As is your implication that its better than Krayt's telekinetic attacks when Krayt is vastly more powerful than Thanaton at full strength, let alone when he's weakened.

Krayt threw some rocks at him. They weren't even big. 😐

Yeah, Thanaton's attack was more impressive. He was going all out with his strongest attack. Evidently it was stronger than the attack that one-shot Nox + ghosts in Act 2. I'll take that over what was basically the Consular's starting attack.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not seeing any proof that Thanaton used such an attack.

Are you mentally retarded? mmm

In the video you linked: "I am older, and wiser, and studied in rituals you can't even imagine."

Please, where is there a mention of being more powerful there? He is clearly stating his knowledge is far more effective than her power.

Whats the difference? It was reshaped so she could wield the power freely, no negative effects at all. Why would it hurt her to use considering that?

I kind of assumed she basically was. Its not like we get to see much of TOR's combat. I figured the purple energy was mainly stylistic and absence doesn't necessarily mean she isn't using the ghosts. But if Nox can backhand Thanatons lightning normally, sign me up for that shit. But I think thats pretty much all she didn't use it for.

I said I'd reply to the rest later or tomorrow. I know that you're basically obsessed with me, but theres no need to be so thirsty atm.

No, it was reshaped so the power would not devour her slowly, nothing was said about her actual outbursts.

Yet you're not replying, it's almost as if you want this discussion to drag on so everyone forgets the rest of it. It does beg questioning, since this has probably taken as long as your reply to my actual post would have.

Sel... I think you're cool but the statement: "I am older, and wiser, and studied in rituals you can't even imagine." Is pretty much implying his superiority in all aspects...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Krayt threw some rocks at him. They weren't even big. 😐

Yeah, Thanaton's attack was more impressive. He was going all out with his strongest attack. Evidently it was stronger than the attack that one-shot Nox + ghosts in Act 2. I'll take that over what was basically the Consular's starting attack.

This is a sensible way to go about things.

And it was the last gasp of a man infinitely Krayt's inferior. 🙂 👆

Originally posted by Syndicate
Sel... I think you're cool but the statement: "I am older, and wiser, and studied in rituals you can't even imagine." Is pretty much implying his superiority in all aspects...

Not in that context, at all 😬

The inquisitor summons a barrier of strength that surprises Thanaton. Instead of flaunting his power, Thanaton flaunts his knowledge, indicating the strong likelihood that his knowledge is what gave him the advantage in that scenario...

Originally posted by Selenial
Not in that context, at all 😬

The inquisitor summons a barrier of strength that surprises Thanaton. Instead of flaunting his power, Thanaton flaunts his knowledge, indicating the strong likelihood that his knowledge is what gave him the advantage in that scenario...

I don't know. To me the way it's meant to be interpreted seems pretty clear. I guess that could have been it as well...?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What cancerous logic, yes, lets assess all feats by the visual scale of the attack, and think nothing of the force behind it.

This is a sensible way to go about things.

And it was the last gasp of a man infinitely Krayt's inferior. 👆

It could be Vader doing it and I'd still say Thanaton's was more impressive. It was just some rocks. Such a basic and indirect attack isn't mind-blowing. Look:

Oh yeah, clearly such an amazing attack. Look at the sheer force of it. Wow.

Kek, Krayt doesn't even have any really impressive TK feats tho.

Originally posted by Selenial
Are you mentally retarded? mmm

In the video you linked: "I am older, and wiser, and studied in rituals you can't even imagine."

Please, where is there a mention of being more powerful there? He is clearly stating his knowledge is far more effective than her power.

Still not seeing any proof, just supposition. Thanaton is just saying that he has devastatingly powerful rituals at his disposal. This does not suggest anything about how they might be defended against. The fact that he has powerful attacks at his disposal doesn't mean they can't be defended against. You're making that up out of literally nothing. He could have shot a laser out of his dick and it would have fit the sentence.

Originally posted by Selenial
No, it was reshaped so the power would not devour her slowly, nothing was said about her actual outbursts.

Yet you're not replying, it's almost as if you want this discussion to drag on so everyone forgets the rest of it. It does beg questioning, since this has probably taken as long as your reply to my actual post would have.

Nope, pretty sure it said she could wield it freely. They aren't outbursts, she could "wield their combined power" "like a weapon". If her body had been reshaped to be able to use their power without harm, why are you assuming it would cause harm? Why would Nox's body be reshaped to hold them but not use them when thats the entire point in the first place?

Like I said, I wasn't able to properly reply to you last time or edit my posts. I'm not in the mood to do a big post again anyway, I want to eat dinner and watch some shit now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Still not seeing any proof, just supposition. Thanaton is just saying that he has devastatingly powerful rituals at his disposal. This does not suggest anything about how they might be defended against. The fact that he has powerful attacks at his disposal doesn't mean they can't be defended against. You're making that up out of literally nothing. He could have shot a laser out of his dick and it would have fit the sentence.

How the **** do you defend against a ritual you've never heard of. The whole point of rituals is to be esoteric and difficult to combat, to do things you are not yourself capable of. Palpatine says exactly that in the book of Sith. Thanaton was clearly not breaking through it with raw power 😬

Nope, pretty sure it said she could wield it freely. They aren't outbursts, she could "wield their combined power" "like a weapon". If her body had been reshaped to be able to use their power without harm, why are you assuming it would cause harm? Why would Nox's body be reshaped to hold them but not use them when thats the entire point in the first place?

Like I said, I wasn't able to properly reply to you last time or edit my posts. I'm not in the mood to do a big post again anyway, I want to eat dinner and watch some shit now.

Nope. She was dying from the power, and the mother machine said that her power will no longer consume her. That doesn't mean she can use it freely at all. You have still utterly failed to come up with a reason why it's any different to Valkorion in KOTFE.