Hercules Vs Jay Garrick

Originally posted by RadZoa
I don't think so, we already know that Superman's (and Martian's comparable HV) can reach those levels. Yeah, it probably would ignite the atmosphere but we've already seen Heat vision being used excessively on Earth without any collateral damage (when Supes vaporized the Doomsday army) logically everytime Superman or any character in his tier throws a punch it should logically destroy everything within miles

J'ohn may not have been going all out but it's fair to assume that, knowing Adam, he used a fair amount of force with his HV to try to stop him and was partially successful as it did somewhat burn Adam's face. Adam wasn't very phased when half of his face was burned, that's ridiculous pain tolerance

Lets also not forget that Adam was getting his face turned into pudding by a dozen + other characters in WW3 and was still fighting and wasn't slowing down much. That's insane damage soak and pain tolerance

Napalm shouldn't even hurt Hercules even if he doused himself with it and lit himself on fire. That aside, again it's a cool feat but that doesn't show Herc having any higher of a pain tolerance than Adam does.

What exactly are u trying to prove here? What does any of this have to do with jay?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What exactly are u trying to prove here? What does any of this have to do with jay?

Jay can hurt Hercules. The idea that Hercules has a higher pain tolerance or higher durability than characters that Jay has hurt has no merit and no backing to it.

Jay hurts Hercules, Herc can't hit Jay ergo Herc loses

Sure he can hurt him. Noone said that. But you saying that jay cant be touched is flat out wrong.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Sure he can hurt him. Noone said that.

But, that's been cleared up now

Herc is unlikely to hit Jay, so far the only argument regarding Herc's speed is Herc reacting to Sentry who I doubt was going all out. Even if he was, Sentry doesn't have speed feats as impressive as Jay does so it's moot.

But sure, Herc COULD hit Jay (unlikely) but COULD, I'm not going to disregard that possibility. But even if he did land a hit it's just going to make Jay be more cautious and make sure to avoid getting hit by him. Speedsters can often get hit by bricks usually by underestimating them or getting caught off guard.

Ridiculously so. That plus hyperbole vision...!

Originally posted by RadZoa
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30145/2029453-black_adam_and_jay_2.jpg

What exactly do you think is going on here? His standard punches are enough to cause Adam to spit blood.

There's also the fact that Jay could steal all of Herc's speed and leave him a statue like Flash did to Inertia.

There is no blood in that scan. Here are more of Jay's "NORMAL BLOWS" from the same fight
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2029452-black_adam_and_jay_1.jpg

Clearly no damage her with more blows and jay is trying to "wear him down" . If there were blood in your scan, there would be a sign of it in the front on facing panel after the blow and there isn't. like this
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67407/1340518-126174_racerx_wwiiib4_p10_super.jpg

Knocking the "SPIT" out of someone with blows to the face is NOTHING (and thousands of blows at that - less than nothing in the way of damage).

Originally posted by beatboks
There is no blood in that scan. Here are more of Jay's "NORMAL BLOWS" from the same fight
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/2029452-black_adam_and_jay_1.jpg

Clearly no damage her with more blows and jay is trying to "wear him down" . If there were blood in your scan, there would be a sign of it in the front on facing panel after the blow and there isn't. like this
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67407/1340518-126174_racerx_wwiiib4_p10_super.jpg

Knocking the "SPIT" out of someone with blows to the face is NOTHING (and thousands of blows at that - less than nothing in the way of damage).

Originally posted by RadZoa
Several people did actually or at least heavily implied including one person bringing up Herc's pain tolerance and another stating that he couldn't see what Jay would do to put Herc down

But, that's been cleared up now

Herc is unlikely to hit Jay, so far the only argument regarding Herc's speed is Herc reacting to Sentry who I doubt was going all out. Even if he was, Sentry doesn't have speed feats as impressive as Jay does so it's moot.

But sure, Herc COULD hit Jay (unlikely) but COULD, I'm not going to disregard that possibility. But even if he did land a hit it's just going to make Jay be more cautious and make sure to avoid getting hit by him. Speedsters can often get hit by bricks usually by underestimating them or getting caught off guard.

OMFG. So putting down and hurting are now the same thing. That's what I actually said mate. Jay has no way to put Herc down because he has failed to put down other bricks, Put down is the KO, hurt just all the shit that leads up to it. A fight can go for 10 to 12 rounds and someone get's knocked out then but was hurt many times before that.

Originally posted by RadZoa

Herc is unlikely to hit Jay, so far the only argument regarding Herc's speed is Herc reacting to Sentry who I doubt was going all out. Even if he was, Sentry doesn't have speed feats as impressive as Jay does so it's moot.

Originally posted by RadZoa
Didn't realize that Adam's spit was blackish

O_o try and think about it a moment mate.
It wasn't red (color of oxygenated blood)
It wasn't blue (color of de-oxygenated blood)
So the complete lack of color proves exactly what?
It proves that there is no way to actually determine what it was.

If you say so...

Originally posted by RadZoa
Several people did actually or at least heavily implied including one person bringing up Herc's pain tolerance and another stating that he couldn't see what Jay would do to put Herc down

But, that's been cleared up now

Herc is unlikely to hit Jay, so far the only argument regarding Herc's speed is Herc reacting to Sentry who I doubt was going all out. Even if he was, Sentry doesn't have speed feats as impressive as Jay does so it's moot.

But sure, Herc COULD hit Jay (unlikely) but COULD, I'm not going to disregard that possibility. But even if he did land a hit it's just going to make Jay be more cautious and make sure to avoid getting hit by him. Speedsters can often get hit by bricks usually by underestimating them or getting caught off guard.

You have an instance of Jay beating an elite brick?

When boks uses 'mate', you know shit's about to go down.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You have an instance of Jay beating an elite brick?

Haven't you heard? Doing the same level of damage that a man get's from a woman slapping his face is now a victory and a put down 😂 🤪

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When boks uses 'mate', you know shit's about to go down.

I saw that too 😁.

I wanna nip the whole "speed trumps all" bs that seems to float thruout this forum. It's just not keeping within character and definitely not true

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I will call hyperbole, just because statements like that abound all over comics. Temperatures like that would ignite the atmosphere, destroying MMH, lol. Moreover, the scan you showed, showed nothing that MMH's HV used was hot enough to rival stars being born.

Pain tolerance - Herc would rather set himself on fire with napalm, or kill himself, rather than suffer more pain. Yet, he was still able to decimate SHIELD, and fight Ares:

That's probably slightly better than being lit on fire.

Also Jay beat the shit out of Alan in just a few punches if anyone is wondering while possessed by Spirit King

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also Jay beat the shit out of Alan in just a few punches if anyone is wondering while possessed by Spirit King

As per underlined not a feat of jay's.

Alan isn't a brick either

Originally posted by abhilegend
Captain Marvel survived getting turned inside out.

That's probably slightly better than being lit on fire.

But.....Billy is not in this thread.

Hell, he's not even being compared to Herc!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Captain Marvel survived getting turned inside out.

That's probably slightly better than being lit on fire.

Abhi off his meds again