Hercules Vs Jay Garrick

Originally posted by riv6672
God yes, that is sofa king retarded.
Either people just misread comics, or ignore them to "win". Not sure which is worse.

Flash doesn't always go full bore like he will on the forum. His typical speed in comics is a around speed, or so. This is when you see a guy like Deathstroke hitting him.

But when he decides to, he's can snap up to 800,000 times that speed or more in a second, and when he does, its an entirely different issue. Not many characters can keep up with that, or take those shots from him.

And yes, he will do it on the forum. There's no comic narrative forcing him to keep his power at it's bottom end. He'll use all of his powers to win.

Originally posted by Juntai
Comics and debates aren't the same.

Flash doesn't always go full bore like he will on the forum. His typical speed in comics is a around speed, or so. This is when you see a guy like Deathstroke hitting him.

But when he decides to, he's can snap up to 800,000 times that speed or more in a second, and when he does, its an entirely different issue. Not many characters can keep up with that, or take those shots from him.

And yes, he will do it on the forum. There's no comic narrative forcing him to keep his power at it's bottom end. He'll use all of his powers to win.

While I somewhat agree, I also disagree. You can't take a character, and say that they go full bore if they wouldn't go full bore in character. You have to always allocate a certain percentage of the argument towards both power set, and the actual personality of the character. If not we would have Superman operating like Ultraman, Gladiator, and Black Adam. Thor would come in off of the bat whipping up his most powerful storm, while creating a impenetrable mystical vortex with his hammer, or her hammer in Jane Foster's case. The Hulk would tear apart an entire continent and throw it at his opponent, etc. If you can see what I'm saying, show it.

Speed is a different matter, though.

For example, I'm Cyclops, fighting the Flash.

Match starts, neither of us are vicious murderers. I don't go full bore with my eye beams, Flash doesn't go full speed.

But who would you bet on REALISING that they need to up a gear, go full bore?

Jay, on panel, has strategised within nanoseconds or whatever. He is fully capable of going from gear 1 to 10000 in a fraction of a second.

@Darksaint In all honesty, I don't think that Hercules is going to win this, and if he did it would be more about luck than it would actually be about being able to see Jay, react to him, and land a solid punch. An earthquake jarring punch to the ground form Hercules may be able to give him an advantage before being whittled done by multiple punch assaults, but then again could Jay avoid it? I do see what you're saying. I do agree that power set has it's merits, but my argument is also about characterizations which can not be ignored and is equally as important as power set. After all the Hulk never had to go through any of the crap that he went through during WW Hulk if we consider what he did during HOTM. You see what I'm saying? Gotta run

Originally posted by Juntai
Comics and debates aren't the same.

Flash doesn't always go full bore like he will on the forum. His typical speed in comics is a around speed, or so. This is when you see a guy like Deathstroke hitting him.

But when he decides to, he's can snap up to 800,000 times that speed or more in a second, and when he does, its an entirely different issue. Not many characters can keep up with that, or take those shots from him.

And yes, he will do it on the forum. There's no comic narrative forcing him to keep his power at it's bottom end. He'll use all of his powers to win.

Originally posted by Stoic
While I somewhat agree, I also disagree. You can't take a character, and say that they go full bore if they wouldn't go full bore in character. You have to always allocate a certain percentage of the argument towards both power set, and the actual personality of the character. If not we would have Superman operating like Ultraman, Gladiator, and Black Adam. Thor would come in off of the bat whipping up his most powerful storm, while creating a impenetrable mystical vortex with his hammer, or her hammer in Jane Foster's case. The Hulk would tear apart an entire continent and throw it at his opponent, etc. If you can see what I'm saying, show it.

Forum rules specifically handle this issue.

That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

Flash is still going to fight within the parameters of his characters. e.g; unless its dire, hes not going to speedforce dump someone. He has taken many losses without this tactic.

However, he WILL go full bore and put down his opponents on the forum.

Superman is the same way, which is a large part of the disparity between posters regarding him.

No, the disparity comes from posters not wanting to take a loss, not being able to figure out how their character might otherwise win, and so claiming that a certain tactic will immediately be used when it really wouldnt.
Like Superman.
He doesnt fight like the Flash. But put him opposite a viable threat here, and he will start out with and maintain a speed blitz indefinitely.
Like Reed Richards.
He will use prep only to get one thing out of his closet.
Like Flash himself.
He will speed steal instantly.
People here can (and have, and will) argue like this all they want, thats their right. Mine is to call bullshit on it, until the subject bores me, then move on, none the worse off.

Super intelligence and super speed are two sides of the same coin, really.

CIS is almost off, by default, unless the speedster is THAT stupid, or the intelligentsia is THAT arrogantly blind.

Ha, yeah thats true. 👆