Reeve's Superman vs Dr. Manhattan

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Kotor3 Senior Member

Reeve's Superman vs Dr. Manhattan

Dr. Manhattan come to Superman universe and decides to make the world in his image. A fight between the two starts.

All out who wins?

Technology is available to each fighter. For Superman he has his kryptonian tech and Dr. Manhattan has whatever tech he uses if any.

Some abilities for Superman for those who do not remember:
Ability to take away another person memories with a kiss.
Ability to go back into the past using his own body.
Phantom zone is accessible to him.
Ability to move faster than light.
Telekinesis

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

I don't remember, but when did he access the Phantom Zone?

Kotor3 Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't remember, but when did he access the Phantom Zone?
I don't recall Superman specifically accessing the phantom zone but I thought it was heavily implied in part one that he had full access the to technology that his father created as well as other kryptonian tech.

In part one it was shown that he spent a few years being trained on Kryptonian history and technology as well as his powers.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Agreed, but you said he had access to the Phantom Zone.. I'm saying... why did you make that statement.. based on what?

Kotor3 Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Agreed, but you said he had access to the Phantom Zone.. I'm saying... why did you make that statement.. based on what?
I also said he has access to krytonian tech even though the only time he uses it is to create his fortress and educate himself.

I'm assuming the phantom zone is accessible to him if he chooses to use it. You don't of course have to agree with this assumption or use it in this battle.

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Manhattan wins.

Kotor3 Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Agreed, but you said he had access to the Phantom Zone.. I'm saying... why did you make that statement.. based on what?
I never saw the full movie for The Richard Donner Cut but read up on the ending. Evidently to support my claim that Superman had access to the phantom zone, he uses it in this version to imprison General Zod and his two companions.

Kotor3 Senior Member

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Manhattan wins.
Care to explain why?

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Originally posted by Kotor3
Care to explain why?
Because he's more powerful. He can do pretty much anything.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Manhattan wins.
This. There's really nothing Reeve can do to him.

Kotor3 Senior Member

Great argument from both of you. Reeve's can destroy any of Dr. Manhattan bodies immediately. Causing Dr. Manhattan to regroup. I don't see Dr. Manhattan doing the same to Superman. With Kryptonian tech like the phantom zone he might find a way to trap or contain Dr. Manhattan.

Kotor3 Senior Member

Originally posted by Arachnid1
This. There's really nothing Reeve can do to him.
Superman can go back in time to when Dr. Manhattan is human and take him out or learn about the process that made him and that way. He can also use the phantom zone.

There two ways right there.

Tattoos N Scars Modern Day Drifter

Couldn't Manhattan simply escape the phantom zone? I thought he could traverse dimensions with a thought. Or is it just the Solar System?

Kotor3 Senior Member

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Couldn't Manhattan simply escape the phantom zone? I thought he could traverse dimensions with a thought. Or is it just the Solar System?
Perhaps he can or cannot, I don't know. As for traveling through different dimensions through thought I wasn't aware that he could do that. I would need to look that up.

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Originally posted by Kotor3
Superman can go back in time to when Dr. Manhattan is human and take him out or learn about the process that made him and that way. He can also use the phantom zone.

There two ways right there.

You think Manhattan is going to LET Superman reverse time? Dude, Manhattan is omnipotent. He can turn Superman into a fart in the wind and there won't be a thing Superman can do about it. Superman loses. No power he has is good enough to counter the things Manhattan can do by JUST THINKING.

Manhattan Stomps 1000/10

emporerpants Senior Member

Didn't the movie say that Manhattan could only stop 97% of the nukes if Russia attacked? In fact, I think that was an important plot point. This means that Manhattan IS NOT omnipotent, since if he was, he could stop all the nukes right?

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by emporerpants
Didn't the movie say that Manhattan could only stop 97% of the nukes if Russia attacked? In fact, I think that was an important plot point. This means that Manhattan IS NOT omnipotent, since if he was, he could stop all the nukes right?
It wasn't even Manhattan who claimed that. It was someone else, so the claim is pretty iffy.

Even then, Manhattan being omnipotent has always been a bit doubtful. Omniscient, maybe, but omnipotent? Nah. Still, he can transmute matter, so he should be able to turn Supes into a puddle or make kryptonite no problem.

Nice sig btw

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Okay, maybe he's not Omnipotent in the LITERAL sense, but he's certainly omnipotent compared to Reeve's Superman. He just has too much going for him. He can't be killed. There is no way Superman can defeat him....at least not unless Manhattan allows it.

Zack Fair Fanboy

Originally posted by emporerpants
Didn't the movie say that Manhattan could only stop 97% of the nukes if Russia attacked? In fact, I think that was an important plot point. This means that Manhattan IS NOT omnipotent, since if he was, he could stop all the nukes right?
Good point.

Nice to see it. People been applying no limits fallacy to Manhattan forever.

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Good point.

Nice to see it. People been applying no limits fallacy to Manhattan forever.

Again, as far as Reeves Superman is concerned he might as well be omnipotent. The only way Reevesman wins is if Manhattan allows it.