Originally posted by quanchi112To what extent? So, moving faster than light and thought as well as the ability to open a time vortex and manipulate time without the use of a machine does not have any effect over matter on a subatomic level?
Control over matter on a subatomic level. Now your turn.
Yes, I am saying that Superman would have to have control to an extent over matter at the subatomic level in order to perform that feat.
Originally posted by Kotor3He can see through time and Auperman never once did that in combat. These threads are about them facing each other not one guy rage quitting over his dead gf he wasn't fast enough to save. You are taking one feat out of context against a guy who has demonstrated these powers in a combat setting.
To what extent? So, moving faster than light and thought as well as the ability to open a time vortex and manipulate time without the use of a machine does not have any effect over matter on a subatomic level?Yes, I am saying that Superman would have to have control to an extent over matter at the subatomic level in order to perform that feat.
No, he just flew really fast. His powers don't work that way, sport. You're basically trolling and doing a very poor job at it.
Originally posted by NemeBroActually, Nemes right. Manhattan isn't omniscient. He wouldn't be able to make Kryptonite on the fly if he doesn't know about it.
Manhattan couldn't create Kryptonite because he doesn't know what Kryptonite's chemical composition is. He'd have to have seen it before. Manhattan isn't omniscient, not even close.
Still, no chance for Reeves. He cant put down Manhattan in any way, whereas Manhattan still has plenty of options for putting him down.
Originally posted by quanchi112Perhaps I don't recall when did Dr. Manhattan seeing through time help him in combat? As far as I know it didn't help him from seeing Verdit's attack plan nor his master plan at the end. Neither was Dr. Manhattan able to see that peace between the nations would not last since Rorschach's journal was found by a journalist. In fact the it was Rorschach who warn his comrades (Dr. Manhattan) of what was happening and Dr. Manhattan with all his fore-sight ignored him.
He can see through time and Auperman never once did that in combat. These threads are about them facing each other not one guy rage quitting over his dead gf he wasn't fast enough to save. You are taking one feat out of context against a guy who has demonstrated these powers in a combat setting.No, he just flew really fast. His powers don't work that way, sport. You're basically trolling and doing a very poor job at it.
In Superman II in combat at his fortress he move so fast it was as if he was transporting. Superman has used his speed in combat.
As for going fast he flew faster than light. Nice how you try to make light of that fact. Pretty much that is impossible to do with the mass that his body carries. There is no way that his body is not affected at the sub-atomic level while performing that feat. Then cause a time vortex.
Superman has taken away memories with a kiss. You know memories reside in the brain. Another example of him having control of matter.
As I stated before, Dr. Manhattan has shown he can be attack with all his fore-sight.
Superman can use the phantom zone as a means of attack. Since he has shown the ability to enter a time vortex or area of space where time does not move and manipulate it, he may be able to attack or form an attack on Dr. Manhattan in this realm.
For the record I have no problem with Superman losing this fight. I do have a problem with bandwagon trolls like you and some others coming in this thread with no feats or argument to back up any claims except that Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter and has foresight
Keep using the word troll since you can't make a argument for yourself.
Originally posted by Kotor3He was busy with his own agenda. Superman in no way uses time manipulation to defeat any foe in combat. He isn't fast enough to save his skank and then uses it to reverse time. So what ?
Perhaps I don't recall when did Dr. Manhattan seeing through time help him in combat? As far as I know it didn't help him from seeing Verdit's attack plan nor his master plan at the end. Neither was Dr. Manhattan able to see that peace between the nations would not last since Rorschach's journal was found by a journalist. In fact the it was Rorschach who warn his comrades (Dr. Manhattan) of what was happening and Dr. Manhattan with all his fore-sight ignored him.In Superman II in combat at his fortress he move so fast it was as if he was transporting. Superman has used his speed in combat.
As for going fast he flew faster than light. Nice how you try to make light of that fact. Pretty much that is impossible to do with the mass that his body carries. There is no way that his body is not affected at the sub-atomic level while performing that feat. Then cause a time vortex.
Superman has taken away memories with a kiss. You know memories reside in the brain. Another example of him having control of matter.
As I stated before, Dr. Manhattan has shown he can be attack with all his fore-sight.
Superman can use the phantom zone as a means of attack. Since he has shown the ability to enter a time vortex or area of space where time does not move and manipulate it, he may be able to attack or form an attack on Dr. Manhattan in this realm.
For the record I have no problem with Superman losing this fight. I do have a problem with bandwagon trolls like you and some others coming in this thread with no feats or argument to back up any claims except that Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter and has foresight
Keep using the word troll since you can't make a argument for yourself.
So u guess based off that ridiculous sort of logic Harry Potter wizards just based off memory manipulation have subatomic matter manipulation comparable to Manhattan. I guess you believe Superman will kiss Manhattan to victory for ****s sake you clown.
He wins based off his feats, powers, and abilities. Superman was getting hurt being hit by a manhole cover and tossed into a Coke sign. This is how he handles himself in combat. Manhattan can make copies of himself and reform. Superman is ****ed. There was nothing in the Watchmen film that could stop Manhattan once he stormed onto the scene. He agreed it was necessary. There was no stopping him.
Originally posted by quanchi112Excuses for Dr. Manhattan. Still, you fail to show any combat related feats where Dr. Manhattan foresight assisted him. As for Superman he forgot about Lois because he was busy saving everyone else. It had nothing to do with his speed.
He was busy with his own agenda. Superman in no way uses time manipulation to defeat any foe in combat. He isn't fast enough to save his skank and then uses it to reverse time. So what ?So u guess based off that ridiculous sort of logic Harry Potter wizards just based off memory manipulation have subatomic matter manipulation comparable to Manhattan. I guess you believe Superman will kiss Manhattan to victory for ****s sake you clown.
He wins based off his feats, powers, and abilities. Superman was getting hurt being hit by a manhole cover and tossed into a Coke sign. This is how he handles himself in combat. Manhattan can make copies of himself and reform. Superman is ****ed. There was nothing in the Watchmen film that could stop Manhattan once he stormed onto the scene. He agreed it was necessary. There was no stopping him.
I never said Superman had the same control over matter as Dr. Manhattan but he does have control is the point and I proved it. As for you comment concerning time manipulation, we can say there are many things that Superman does not do in combat because he is always holding back. A fact about his character. It doesn't mean he cannot. What is Dr. Manhattan's excuse?
Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter but didn't cure his ex-girlfriend of cancer. Nor did he try. You have no feats to show any matter manipulation that could hurt or be of serious damage to Superman. Or feats to show that Dr. Manhattan can manipulate Superman's matter.
Clayface and Mystique can manipulate their matter. Unless you can show the extent to which Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter you have nothing but assumptions.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Actually, Nemes right. Manhattan isn't omniscient. He wouldn't be able to make Kryptonite on the fly if he doesn't know about it.Still, no chance for Reeves. He cant put down Manhattan in any way, whereas Manhattan still has plenty of options for putting him down.
He would know about it though. They both start with general knowledge of the other. It's common knowledge Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite. Once DM knows that, he would acquire some and then what?
Originally posted by Kotor3So you say Manhattan being busy doesn't matter but then cite the same excuse for Superman. He tried to get to her I time and failed. Yes, it did.
Excuses for Dr. Manhattan. Still, you fail to show any combat related feats where Dr. Manhattan foresight assisted him. As for Superman he forgot about Lois because he was busy saving everyone else. It had nothing to do with his speed.I never said Superman had the same control over matter as Dr. Manhattan but he does have control is the point and I proved it. As for you comment concerning time manipulation, we can say there are many things that Superman does not do in combat because he is always holding back. A fact about his character. It doesn't mean he cannot. What is Dr. Manhattan's excuse?
Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter but didn't cure his ex-girlfriend of cancer. Nor did he try. You have no feats to show any matter manipulation that could hurt or be of serious damage to Superman. Or feats to show that Dr. Manhattan can manipulate Superman's matter.
Clayface and Mystique can manipulate their matter. Unless you can show the extent to which Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter you have nothing but assumptions.
No, and since you already conceded the point it isn't necessary to beat the dead horse. That isn't combat applicable but we did see what powers he had in combat. Superman was manipulated by Knite and quite easily.
Can they manipulate over people's matter like Manhattan did ?
Originally posted by quanchi112As usual you did not address my comments. As I stated previously, Dr. Manhattan was one of the first people who Rorschach informed that something was wrong and he flat out ignored him. Then he had to be convince again. There is absolutely no comparison between the two situations.
So you say Manhattan being busy doesn't matter but then cite the same excuse for Superman. He tried to get to her I time and failed. Yes, it did.No, and since you already conceded the point it isn't necessary to beat the dead horse. That isn't combat applicable but we did see what powers he had in combat. Superman was manipulated by Knite and quite easily.
Can they manipulate over people's matter like Manhattan did ?
Superman tried after he realized he forgot her. You trying to make it a speed issue is hilarious. Kryptonite and a Star on the only things that manipulate Superman's matter.
So unless Dr. Manhattan can change the Sun to red or build Kryptonite, your point is mute. As for Kryptonite, Dr. Manhattan would have to build a radioactive material (from a red sun) from a plant that no longer exist. Since he did not cure his ex-girlfriend cancer, I have my doubts about his radioactive abilities.
To be clear, Dr. Manhattan has only manipulated matter. He has never created matter.