Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kota limped up behind him and put a hand on his shoulder. "That's it, boy," he said with rough pride. "He's beaten. Let it go."😂Because against Yoda he was still capable of fighting, yet against Marek he was beaten. 😬Because your finding the most contrived ways to dismiss every clear piece of evidence that contradicts your point? Its palpable my friend, and it smells.
And please, prove Sean Williams is one of these writers. The fact that he signposts his metaphors in that passage pretty much disproving otherwise.
And even if it were hyperbole it can hardly be construed as a metaphor for "tired/depleted" lmao.Eh? What is this a response to?An example of aforementioned biased.
Its a canon interpretation of the event. The other game versions being different interpretations, which are also canon.
And what is does is set a precedent for Palpatine pretending to be weak, and easily overcome by Marek's powers, as he appears to be in the comic. Go figure.
And Rahm was obviously mistaken not to mention himself trying to keep Galen from doing something that would start him back on the path to the Dark Side.
Except there's nothing but the comments of characters with their own motivations saying he was beaten. He actually attacks Rahm moments after he fell to the floor.
I calls it how I sees it. It's cool if you see it differently. Prove he's one of these writers? Sure, just as soon as you prove he meant Galen was in a state one Oneness.
"And even if it were hyperbole it can hardly be construed as a metaphor for "tired/depleted" lmao."
What do you mean by this?
The reason Galen dropped his defenses.
In what way?
And your opinion on their contradictions? Are they all equally canon including the cut scene where he literally rips a star destroyer from a sky as opposed to the ones where he affects the direction of it's descent?
It wouldn't be precedence considering it's just different versions of the same scene. It would be supplementary material if it wasn't contradicted by the other game editions. You can't pick and choose the ones you please. Well actually you can but then it's just us arguing the versions we support which would be based off of opinion. Since those kind of discussions are pointless...
Originally posted by SyndicateHuh? Are you even aware of the point I'm making? Yes he was mistaken because Palpatine was pretending to be beaten and they bought it.
And Rahm was obviously mistaken not to mention himself trying to keep Galen from doing something that would start him back on the path to the Dark Side.Except there's nothing but the comments of characters with their own motivations saying he was beaten. He actually attacks Rahm moments after he fell to the floor.
He was imitating frailty, just as he does in the comic.
I calls it how I sees it. It's cool if you see it differently. Prove he's one of these writers?You mean you interpret in accordance with your biased.
Sure, just as soon as you prove he meant Galen was in a state one Oneness.You mean help you with your reading comprehension skills? There is no need to prove what is self evident dear:
"[...] he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child [...] Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava."
In complete concert with the Force, a vast increased in power, an illumination of the body, its a textbook description of Oneness. The burden of proof remains on you to demonstrate its hyperbole despite the author being explicitly literal and signposting metaphor when employed.
"And even if it were hyperbole it can hardly be construed as a metaphor for "tired/depleted" lmao."What I said. If you say for example "I felt like I could run a million miles" clearly your not attempting to convey exhaustion. 😬What do you mean by this?
The reason Galen dropped his defenses.OK, I never asked though.
In what way?You can't see it? Dismissing evidence that fails to align with your opinion as non-canon is to blatantly cherry pick. 😂
And your opinion on their contradictions? Are they all equally canon including the cut scene where he literally rips a star destroyer from a sky as opposed to the ones where he affects the direction of it's descent?Relevance? Marek saying "it's a trick" aligns just fine with the various indications Palpatine faking weakness in every other source that you baselessly continue to misread and ignore.
All it contradicts is your ridiculous placement of Starkiller. 👆
It wouldn't be precedence considering it's just different versions of the same scene. It would be supplementary material if it wasn't contradicted by the other game editions. You can't pick and choose the ones you please. Well actually you can but then it's just us arguing the versions we support which would be based off of opinion. Since those kind of discussions are pointless...You're right, its more than that, its a clear indication of how the comic is supposed to be interpreted, as Palpatine imitating frailty.
And as I already said, there is no contradiction.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
gewdIt's not a claim. I'm simply providing what the Comics Companion says. And the argument is pretty well defended, cf. Nihilus.
Skillz is great and he's definitely an embodiment of the more respectable side of SWTOR apologia. But his argument is weak in that mine completely destroys it.
I know that treachery is never far from your heart. You should take greater efforts to purify yourself.
The problem is, you're not wanting a better argument, you're wanting an argument like Skillz'. Which is, as I've demonstrated, in fact a weaker argument. Because you are, on some level, very sympathetic to the SWTOR cause.
If not, you should probably better clarify what you want.
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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Huh? Are you even aware of the point I'm making? Yes he was mistaken because Palpatine was pretending to be beaten and they bought it.He was imitating frailty, just as he does in the comic.You mean you interpret in accordance with your biased.You mean help you with your reading comprehension skills? There is no need to prove what is self evident dear:
"[...] he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child [...] Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava."
In complete concert with the Force, a vast increased in power, an illumination of the body, its a textbook description of Oneness. The burden of proof remains on you to demonstrate its hyperbole despite the author being explicitly literal and signposting metaphor when employed.What I said. If you say for example "I felt like I could run a million miles" clearly your not attempting to convey exhaustion. 😬OK, I never asked though.
You can't see it? Dismissing evidence that fails to align with your opinion as non-canon is to blatantly cherry pick. 😂
Relevance? Marek saying "it's a trick" aligns just fine with the various indications Palpatine faking weakness in every other source that you baselessly continue to misread and ignore.All it contradicts is your ridiculous placement of Starkiller. 👆You're right, its more than that, its a clear indication of how the comic is supposed to be interpreted, as Palpatine imitating frailty.
And as I already said, there is no contradiction.
How was feigning weakness in the comic?
We all interpret things in the way we want. I'm biased, you're biased everybody who's ever lived is biased. That's why these debate forums exist.
I've never read any other depictions of Oneness aside from the one with Anoon Bondara and I don't believe it mentioned anything about her glowing. I I'll be honest with you. I have no idea what the author's intent was with that scene but I've read plenty of other scenes where characters have been put in heightened states by "letting the Force guide their hand" or other phrasings of that nature. Personally I don't feel comfortable saying what IS or IS NOT a moment of Oneness unless it's specifically stated. Apparently all of Kanan's feats are moments of Oneness. I don't know how much of the forum seriously thinks that or how many people are joking but either way as I said I don't feel as comfortable interpreting authorial intent in regards to Oneness as you seem to be.
So you're saying you believe none of the obstacles he overcame effected him at all in that final force lock? I'd disagree based on the effect it had at large. While it might have had the greatest singular effect ( aside from perhaps the Star Destroyer feats on Raxus Prime ) of any of his feats it was accomplished in a single instant while many of his feats required extended use of the Force such as the collapse of the orbital superstructure's supports. If he had been at full capacity the effect of such a release into the Force should have been more grandiose and destructive.
But it shows that Galen could have kept the force lock going longer then he did but he instead chose to save the lives of his friends and lover.
I fail to see how I'm doing that though and that's why I asked.
It doesn't align with the actual novel nor the other depictions of the game. Simply because it aligns with Palpatine's former actions in RotS doesn't increase its validity. If that were the case any of the cutscenes that contradict eachother could be taken and said to be the REAL version because they believe it to most accurately line up with their version of canon.
You know I don't actually place Galen on Palpatine's level or even Yoda's? What I said earlier was a simple joke that both you and Freshest either misinterpreted or ignored and proceeded to jump on me. That doesn't mean I'm not going to defend my opinion.
He's blasted with TK and lightning and falls to the floor. I don't see how that's imitating weakness.
No contradiction in what? Other game editions or your view of canon in EU/Legends?