Originally posted by Sinious
I was trying to talk you out of murdering your career. 🙂Universe busting FS = Universe busting logic
I just posted what the Comic's Companion said, bro.
Are you actually going to stand up and defend Valk or just passive-aggressively complain that the entirety SWTOR team can't beat me?
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm gonna trust your wisdom
Which is, in turn, the wisest thing you've ever said.
Kindly explain to me how it's perfectly acceptable to wank Valky's galaxy-busting powers – which are in literal exponential excess of all but, like, 3-4 Force users – but not this?
I'll wait.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Valkorion needed a massive ritual fueled by galactic warfare and trillions of deaths and had been prepping for it for hundreds of years. And a galaxy is a miniscule fraction of "all space".
Yet still exponentially greater than what the vast majority of Force users are capable of.
Though it is indeed shameful that he's so cripplingly dependent on ritual.
@ Temp
This is a pre-KOTFE matter so I'll refer to it without taking KOTFE into account.
If you're referring to Vitiate's galaxy killing ritual, I think the respectable members of SWTOR brigade never really claimed that the ritual would definitely grant him galaxy killing results. Sometimes threads were made with Galaxy Vitiate vs Ones (even by me) and even there in the OPs it was always worded as "assuming Vitiate could achieve what he claimed with the ritual". And Vitiate wasn't casting that off instantly with a thought, it was supposedly a ritual he already achieved and was going to achieve on a galactic scale via a flashier ritual with 1000+ years of prep.
And universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> galaxy
So, I don't see how it is comparable in anyway. If you were referring to something else, clarify.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yet still exponentially greater than what the vast majority of Force users are capable of.Though it is indeed shameful that he's so cripplingly dependent on ritual.
Because he's exponentially greater than the vast majority of Force Users.
Lol, the arguments that he's reliant on rituals haven't been relevant for years and KotFE has obliterated the very concept.
Originally posted by Sinious
@ TempThis is a pre-KOTFE matter so I'll refer to it without taking KOTFE into account.
If you're referring to Vitiate's galaxy killing ritual, I think the respectable members of SWTOR brigade never really claimed that the ritual would definitely grant him galaxy killing results. Sometimes threads were made with Galaxy Vitiate vs Ones (even by me) and even there in the OPs it was always worded as "assuming Vitiate could achieve what he claimed with the ritual". And Vitiate wasn't casting that off instantly with a thought, it was supposedly a ritual he already achieved and was going to achieve on a galactic scale via a flashier ritual with 1000+ years of prep.
And universe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> galaxy
So, I don't see how it is comparable in anyway. If you were referring to something else, clarify.
And post-KOTFE? Since he's now more powerful than ever?
And how do you think one should interpret the Comic's Companion quote?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he's exponentially greater than the vast majority of Force Users.
And Sheev isn't?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, the arguments that he's reliant on rituals haven't been relevant for years and KotFE has obliterated the very concept.
Well, when you can trigger universe-busting power with mere thought and inclination like Sheev, Valky's lightshows come off as fairly... dull. 😬
Originally posted by The_Tempest
And Sheev isn't?Well, when you can trigger universe-busting power with mere thought and inclination like Sheev, Valky's lightshows come off as fairly... dull. 😬
Just curious. Do you actually think that Sidious could destroy the universe with a force storm? A single force storm btw not Sidious transporting himself into bodies as he opens up force storms all over the universe for billions of years until the entire universe is destroyed.
Originally posted by The_TempestThe reason why I left out KOTFE was not because anything changed regarding Vitiate's capabilities, but because the issue becomes a lot more complicated as Vitiate might have had different motives all along etc. The patch notes give us insight but we need more info on the HoTlander's link to Valkorion to fully understand about what was going on with Vitiate before HoT killed him. What you are referring to is something that precedes all that mess brought by KOTFE, when no respectable member actually argued Vitiate had galaxy busting powers (as I explained earlier).
And post-KOTFE? Since he's now more powerful than ever?
And yea, even with KOTFE, Valkorion is still a top tier (Sids, Luke) force user and his growth in power is in accordance with that which is still pretty small compared to galaxy busting let alone universe busting
Given how we've seen the thing in action, a force storm basically keeps growing and destroys anything it touches. That would make it a threat to anything on space and would destroy all space if it grew as big as the universe, but Palpatine has displayed multiple planet scale of power with it, which is a lot smaller than the universe, but still better than anything Valky has done. 🙂
And how do you think one should interpret the Comic's Companion quote?
I'd say that the quote is referring to ever-growing and unstoppable nature of Force Storms, rather than hinting Sidious is capable of destroying the entire universe.