How powerful will HOT become?

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm only upset

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How is it the same? Like at all?

If I said SWTOR isn't valid because it's a video game, but the Revan novel is a book, it'd be the same. Me saying a codex entry isn't the end all be all, and more evidence supports a different stance is nowhere near comparable. 😬

😆

And you keep posting...

Subtle criticisms are beyond your intellectual weight, so I'll make this explicit:

Syndicate evaluates different statements = CANON IZ CANAN DEALZ WID IT
You evaluate different statements = perfectly reasonable, codex is less valid 'cause *insert incoherent thing about context*

Or you're an idiot. One of those.

lol, what kind of response is that? Were you going for witty comeback, or logical rebuttal? 'cause it doesn't remotely resemble either. 😬

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not in the novel.Right, indicating exhaustion/weakness, make the inference goodness. Exactly, because he was actually fine, he was faking weakness.Who then had a moment of Oneness so actually the opposite is true.Vader was not at the epicentre of the attack, or even nearby as I recall.No, he pretty much states what he unleashed was more powerful than anything before:

Energy surged through him. He felt as though a star had blazed to life in his chest. Driven by concern for his friends rather than himself, he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child. His nerves were on fire. Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava.

The fact that it killed him should be ample proof in itself. So I'd appreciate it if you address the vast disparity between tanking this and getting ragdolled just prior.

And? It's supplementary material. I didn't see you having a problem with the TIE feat I posted from the comic.

He might be temporarily winded but I don't know how that signified his ability to use the force offensively especially against an opponent who's also tired.

Or because he was simply capable of doing so even after having undergone Galen's force attack.

Lol, right. Just like Obi Wan allowing himself to sink completely into the Force or Dooku being the axis point of the universe was a moment of Oneness.

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"A squadron of stormtroopers ran into the room, led by a limping Darth Vader. They raised their blasters to gun down the rebels as they fled up the Rogue Shadow's ramp." - The Force Unleashed.

"Through the dense smoke, two figures were visible from the apprentice's rarefied perspective. Darth Vader struggled to his feet from the rubble, even more damaged then before."

You remembered wrong.

Oh and just as a little extra the text clearly makes note of Galen dropping his defenses.

""No!" The apprentice cried, dropping his defenses to strike one last time at the Imperials." - The Force Unleashed.

It killed him because he actively lowered his defenses as I showed above. Also if you're saying this is his best feat then you're going to have to argue the disparity between that and Vader being outmatched by Galen just minutes before.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
lol, what kind of response is that? Were you going for witty comeback, or logical rebuttal? 'cause it doesn't remotely resemble either. 😬

No, I mean you're an actual idiot if you think saying, "I don't use the games because their games," is the same as, "While that codex does say Vitiate is a Sith entity, and I acknowledge this codex as a canon source, it could mean a variety of things, and the everything else points to Valkorion abandoning his sith ideology." That kind of equating is likening what you do to Shakespeare. Pure idiocy.

That's not what you said though...

You said "your stance, again, is irrelevant. The source is a source, whether you accept it or not." .ie the logic was "if source then valid", which applies to both of your positions.

But I'm glad I baited you into actually presenting a coherent (if not very good) argument. Keep doing that.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, I mean you're an actual idiot if you think saying, "I don't use the games because their games," is the same as, "While that codex does say Vitiate is a Sith entity, and I acknowledge this codex as a canon source, it could mean a variety of things, and the everything else points to Valkorion abandoning his sith ideology." That kind of equating is likening what you do to Shakespeare. Pure idiocy.

You're nasty habit of lying has surfaced again.

What I actually said is that I hold the text to be of higher value then the cutscenes of games that have multiple versions that contradict eachother.

In case you can't understand what I'm saying ( simplified version ): If there's a single game with no contradicting versions their cutscenes are just as valid as anything else.

Syndicate, can you clarify to me what exactly your argument with Beni is about? Because I really don't get why there's an debate going on in the first place.

Don't play stupid, Syndicate. You know exactly what I meant, and my point is the same. And obviously you'd accept anything matching the novel, because it happened in the novel. 😐

Originally posted by Aurbere
Syndicate, can you clarify to me what exactly your argument with Beni is about? Because I really don't get why there's an debate going on in the first place.

Basically I made a joking post saying Sidious MIGHT be more powerful then Galen and people jumped on me. Now I'm fending them off.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
That's not what you said though...

You said "your stance, again, is irrelevant. The source is a source, whether you accept it or not." .ie the logic was "if source then valid", which applies to both of your positions.

But I'm glad I baited you into actually presenting a coherent (if not very good) argument. Keep doing that.


Yes, and that codex is a valid canon source. I never said otherwise. What I said is that it could mean many things. I don't take TFU at face value either. Nice splitting hairs.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Don't play stupid, Syndicate. You know exactly what I meant, and my point is the same. And obviously you'd accept anything matching the novel, because it happened in the novel. 😐

You overestimate me if you think I'm able to understand your gibberish.

Of course I'd accept anything matching the novel. My statement only stands for stuff that doesn't AND is contradictory.

Tbh I disagree with Syndicate here; if Palpatine were only marginally above Starkiller, Vader would've tried his coup.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Basically I made a joking post saying Sidious MIGHT be more powerful then Galen and people jumped on me. Now I'm fending them off.

This has to be the most superfluous discussion in the entire thread. This is what happens when you make silly jokes like this.

Originally posted by Aurbere
This has to be the most superfluous discussion in the entire thread. This is what happens when you make silly jokes like this.

Beni sure showed me the dangers of making silly jokes. 😛

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Tbh I disagree with Syndicate here; if Palpatine were only marginally above Starkiller, Vader would've tried his coup.

Who says he wasn't going to before Palpatine found out? It's not like Vader or Sidious knew about Galen's existence beforehand.