Sourcebooks can be wrong or have misleading statements. It's not like Bioware are even bound by canon anymore.
No it doesn't. What is being the greatest referring to? Sidious is the only Sith to rule to whole galaxy so perhaps it's that. In any case, theres no clear connection between the quote and force power.
Valkorion is beyond the Dark or Light sides, so who gives a shit?
In-universe evil antagonists can also have misleading statements. And we need to assume some manner of continuity or debating these matters falls apart.
Lol, Valky's pseudo-philosophical BS aside, he's obviously using dark/light side powers (even the Son/Daughter are...), and Palpatine is greater at the former than he is.
Face it, Valky will also play second-fiddle to the most powerful Sith Lord in all of Star Wars. Kneel before the shadow of Gideon, and He may make it quick.
Or we could debate without falling back on shitty blanket statements that only serve to stifle discourse, evaluation and critical thinking.
Lol, so Sidious is superior to the Son? Pfft. Also, naw. Valkorion > Sidious. When Sidious murders a planet and grows from it he can step to Valkorion. Until then though....
B*tch, I actually debated Gideon. For years. He's gone and I'm still here. Should tell you something about who kneels to whom.
"he's still an entity that once used sith power" @The Ellimist
May I ask how that matters when put in the context of that quote, that's the whole point of valkorion being stronger than sidious
He used to be weaker when he was a "sith" but now he is beyond light and dark and is now stronger than sidious
You can't only apply a weaker and former self of a character to a quote that's just retarded
Originally posted by Nephthys
Or we could debate without falling back on shitty blanket statements that only serve to stifle discourse, evaluation and critical thinking.
If you want to compare their feats, I think that would be an interesting exercise, but that the canon answer isn't fun for you doesn't make it any less canon.
Lol, so Sidious is superior to the Son?
The Son is the dark side. There's a difference.
Pfft. Also, naw. Valkorion > Sidious. When Sidious murders a planet and grows from it he can step to Valkorion. Until then though....
But Sidious has murdered planets...
B*tch, I actually debated Gideon. For years. He's gone and I'm still here. Should tell you something about who kneels to whom.
Valkorion died before Palpatine did. Concession accepted.
Originally posted by hutchy1345
"he's still an entity that once used sith power" @The Ellimist
May I ask how that matters when put in the context of that quote, that's the whole point of valkorion being stronger than sidious
He used to be weaker when he was a "sith" but now he is beyond light and dark and is now stronger than sidious
You can't only apply a weaker and former self of a character to a quote that's just retarded
If I call someone "the smartest person ever to drop out of high school", that the act of dropping out of high school happened in the past for many doesn't preclude the statement from applying to their future selves. 😖hifty:
Well Valkorion is not just using the dark side of the force and doesnt carry a sith title and doesn't rule sith and denies being sith. In fact he criticizes empire protags whenever they mention their ties to the Sith.
The expansion is about different approaches on the force. Satele & Marr have one, Sith, Jedi, Zakuul factions each have one, and Valkorion has one too (which slightly differs from Zakuul's?)
In the latest chapter Valkorion says "You've mastered the dark side. It is not enough. It never was."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with Sidious > Valkorion. The notion of Valkorion still being a sith is blatantly wrong though.
Originally posted by Sinious
Well Valkorion is not just using the dark side of the force
Nonsense. He may wax poetic about his transcending dark/light side ideology, but at a mechanistic level he's still using dark side energies.
and doesnt carry a sith title and doesn't rule sith and denies being sith. In fact he criticizes empire protags whenever they mention their ties to the Sith.
Too bad the sourcebook still calls him sith, and too bad former sith would still fall under Palpatine's umbrella by virtue of the last two quotes, one of which generalizes to all people who ever used sith power, and the other of which generalizes to everyone who tamed the dark side.
The expansion is about different approaches on the force. Satele & Marr have one, Sith, Jedi, Zakuul factions each have one, and Valkorion has one too (which slightly differs from Zakuul's?)In the latest chapter Valkorion says "You've mastered the dark side. It is not enough. It never was."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with Sidious > Valkorion. The notion of Valkorion still being a sith is blatantly wrong though.
Yeah, I'm playing games with Neph, as I always do.
Originally posted by The EllimistI believe the rest of my post answered this.
Nonsense. He may wax poetic about his transcending dark/light side ideology, but at a mechanistic level he's still using dark side energies.Too bad the sourcebook still calls him sith, and too bad former sith would still fall under Palpatine's umbrella by virtue of the last two quotes, one of which generalizes to all people who ever used sith power, and the other of which generalizes to everyone who tamed the dark side.
Yeah, I'm playing games with Neph, as I always do.Are you from another forum or something?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Valkorion isn't a Sith so he isn't bound by any quotes.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He's also blatantly more powerful than Sidious is.
Eh, not really. Per feats and accolades, the Emperor is pound-for-bound vastly superior to Valkorion. Especially when you consider that he didn't need thousands of Sith Lords and fourteen centuries to achieve that kind of power.
Originally posted by Sinious
#burnzA fact that will haunt Vitiate for eternity.
More or less.
Even if we adopt the heretics' cripplingly conservative and flagrantly biased assessment of the Emperor's power, for him to achieve even comparable status to Valkorion is still an indictment of the latter, given his many comparable advantages.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Especially when you consider that he didn't need thousands of Sith Lords and fourteen centuries to achieve that kind of power.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Even if we adopt the heretics' cripplingly conservative and flagrantly biased assessment of the Emperor's power, for him to achieve even comparable status to Valkorion is still an indictment of the latter, given his many comparable advantages.
Good point.
