Is it right to give bonus points on the SAT's to certain races?

Started by The Ellimist7 pages

There's a pretty easy way to test this statistically; check correlations between SAT and relevant outcomes like college performance, future income, academic and professional attainment, etc., and see if the correlation is smaller for certain ethnic groups. If the correlation's the same, you don't need to add any bonus points.

Also contrary to popular belief, at least the previous SAT wasn't super-dependent on socioeconomic status. It correlated with it because richer parents tended to be smarter and to have smarter kids; children's scores didn't really correlate with their adoptive parents.

The bar should be the same for everyone. It's like telling Timmy he needs a score of at least a 90 to get an A on a test, but then Jimmy is told he only needs an 85 on a test to get an A, because he is of a different race. Either they both need 90 to get an A or they both need an 85 to get an A.

It's racist to do it any other way.

Originally posted by Surtur
The bar should be the same for everyone. It's like telling Timmy he needs a score of at least a 90 to get an A on a test, but then Jimmy is told he only needs an 85 on a test to get an A, because he is of a different race. Either they both need 90 to get an A or they both need an 85 to get an A.

It's racist to do it any other way.


I disagree. It would be like every dog breed being judged by the same set of standards.

Instead, we judge them differently based on their breed and the breeds individual, unique strengths and weaknesses along with other breed specific attributes.

Some breeds are bigger/stronger/faster/smarter/tougher/more athletic than other breeds and they aren't expected to be equal nor should they.
The same logic applies to races.
We aren't equal.

Whites are generally less intelligent than asians, but more athletic. Whites are generally less athletic than blacks, but have higher I.qs. And so on and so forth. Each breed of human has its strengths and weaknesses.

I.q and sat score breakdown by race.

I.q by race of adopted kids.

Sats.

Originally posted by Peace Keeper
I disagree. It would be like every dog breed being judged by the same set of standards.

Instead, we judge them differently based on their breed and the breeds individual, unique strengths and weaknesses along with other breed specific attributes.

Some breeds are bigger/stronger/faster/smarter/tougher/more athletic than other breeds and they aren't expected to be equal nor should they.
The same logic applies to races.
We aren't equal.

Whites are generally less intelligent than asians, but more athletic. Whites are generally less athletic than blacks, but have higher I.qs. And so on and so forth. Each breed of human has its strengths and weaknesses.

🙄 There may be mean differences between population groups, but that information is irrelevant to the differences between individual applicants. It shouldn't matter to a 140 IQ black candidate that black people in general have this or that IQ - that information loses all usefulness when you can just test everyone individually.

That would be like claiming Calvin Johnson is a sh*t football player because the Detroit Lions suck so average Lions players probably do.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
🙄 There may be mean differences between population groups, but that information is irrelevant to the differences between individual applicants. It shouldn't matter to a 140 IQ black candidate that black people in general have this or that IQ - that information loses all usefulness when you can just test everyone individually.

That would be like claiming Calvin Johnson is a sh*t football player because the Detroit Lions suck so average Lions players probably do.


Um...You absolutely can make rules for the majority. You're talking about outliers...they are rare and can be handled differently.

Out of 100k blacks you might get one 140 I.q...pull him to the side and make him take the white test. The rest will have a 85-90(below 85 is functionally retarded) I.q average and will need the easy test.

Its just the reality. Africans have the lowest I.q, probably because you don't need high intelligence to survive in Africa...You need athleticism to run away from ****ing lions. Thatd why 99% of the greatest athletes are black.

Whites and asians evolved in cold places, very few natural enemies. They needed a high I.q to survive the frozen lands. They needed to be inventive. Thats why 99% of the greatest inventions of all time are by whites and asians.

Originally posted by Peace Keeper
Um...You absolutely can make rules for the majority. You're talking about outliers...they are rare and can be handled differently.

Out of 100k blacks you might get one 140 I.q...pull him to the side and make him take the white test. The rest will have a 85-90(below 85 is functionally retarded) I.q average and will need the easy test.

Its just the reality. Africans have the lowest I.q, probably because you don't need high intelligence to survive in Africa...You need athleticism to run away from ****ing lions. Thatd why 99% of the greatest athletes are black.

Whites and asians evolved in cold places, very few natural enemies. They needed a high I.q to survive the frozen lands. They needed to be inventive. Thats why 99% of the greatest inventions of all time are by whites and asians.

I gave you nearly one month to come up with anything other than the fantasies that are spread on websites like Stormfront, and you still haven't come up with anything based on reality. You said that all ethnic groups differ physically. This is wrong, and I can't believe that I had to actually come back to emphasize how wrong that you actually are. It's actually pretty pitiful TBH.

Did you know that all ethnic groups have different body types? (ALL OF THEM DO... LOOK IT UP FFS!!!!). All that you need to do, is google it. I'm just hoping that it doesn't hurt too much when you realize that we are all physically the same. Some just have different body types.

Trivia does not accurately measure a person intelligence, which is also something that I can't believe that I had to come back to let you in on. You actually have people walking around with degrees that have trouble spelling the most remedial of words. This does not mean that they are stupid, but simply that their intellectual strengths lie in other areas. Another thing that I can't believe that I had to explain to you.

At this point, I realize that explaining anything to the ignorant is a monumental waste of time, but I can at least say that I made the attempt. Before accepting one argument from now on, you should make certain to look at all of the findings so that you can get a clearer picture.

'You need athleticism to run away from lions, that's why they're stupid!' 😂

Anyways, so I think we can all agree it's utter f*cking bullshit the bar is different for different races, right? I know this is kind of like saying "do we all agree water is wet" but still.

Originally posted by Surtur
Anyways, so I think we can all agree it's utter f*cking bullshit the bar is different for different races, right? I know this is kind of like saying "do we all agree water is wet" but still.

It has to be set like that because there is no perfect system. Asians typically school for more hours per semester than American students, and as such are exposed to more trivia. It is no secret that Blacks, and Hispanics are a minority in affluent neighborhoods. Children raised in affluent neighborhoods (White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, etc) tend to have greater exposure in terms of education. This does not mean that the children raised within ghettos are dumber, but it instead means that when it comes to testing in areas that they have never touched upon, they will logically not know the answers.

If you take heed to people like Peace Keeper, you would come to believe that Caucasian men have smaller penises, or that the size of your foot determines how large your private parts are. This of course would be a lie. It would be like saying that Spanish women have the largest breasts out of all women. How about the myth that a larger brain means that a person possesses more intelligence? On average Black people have larger brains than Caucasian people do. This does not mean that Black people are indeed more intelligent, it just means that on average, Blacks tend to have more body mass due to poorer diets. Why do Blacks have poorer diets? Well since more Blacks live below the poverty line than Caucasians, they tend to eat foods that aren't as healthy.

Body types. If you were to take heed to Peace Keeper, you would completely ignore the different body types that all ethnic groups have within them. There are three basic human body types: The Endomorph, characterized by a preponderance of body fat. The Mesomorph, marked by a well-developed musculature; and the Ectomorph, distinguished by a lack of much fat or muscle tissue. Listening to him would have you believe that all Black women have round fat behinds, which is a myth, and all White women have wide flat behinds, which is another myth.

It is not fair Surtur, but as I stated, there is no perfect system. The way that the United States (which should actually be called the Divided States) was built from it's inception, was all wrong. It is the reason for the rather large disparities in education, among other things. If you take a child out of the ghetto, and raise them in an affluent neighborhood and send them to the best schools, that child should score high on the SAT's. Since this is not possible, they do the next best thing, they lower the bar in order for these students who have equal potential to make it into ivy league colleges. It all comes down to exposure, nothing more.

Sorry for the rant people, but this Peace Keeper person has got to be one of the most ignorant human beings out there, and I felt a strong need to correct him.

you're wrong about everything stoic.
hit the books and come back in a few weeks when you've learned.

Originally posted by Raisen
you're wrong about everything stoic.
hit the books and come back in a few weeks when you've learned.

Show me where I'm wrong skippy.

Originally posted by Stoic
Show me where I'm wrong skippy.

Show where you are right?

Body Types
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/becker3.htm

Brain facts

http://www.brainfacts.org/brain-basics/neuroanatomy/articles/2014/the-bigger-your-brain-the-smarter-you-are/

http://www.africaresource.com/sci-tech-a-business/genetics/554-race-and-brain-size-blacks-have-bigger-brains

Genetic ability comes in all colors, shapes, and sizes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9992221/Born-to-run-genetic-test-can-reveal-those-best-able-to-run-marathons.html

Quality of life indicators - Education

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Quality_of_life_indicators_-_education

Study: Children's life trajectories largely determined by family they are born into

http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/06/02/karl-alexander-long-shadow-research

Originally posted by Stoic
It has to be set like that because there is no perfect system. Asians typically school for more hours per semester than American students, and as such are exposed to more trivia. It is no secret that Blacks, and Hispanics are a minority in affluent neighborhoods. Children raised in affluent neighborhoods (White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, etc) tend to have greater exposure in terms of education. This does not mean that the children raised within ghettos are dumber, but it instead means that when it comes to testing in areas that they have never touched upon, they will logically not know the answers.

So people want racism when it benefits them, but otherwise they want it to stop? You actually can't have it both ways. Either racism is bad or it isn't lol. You say it's not perfect, but the system doesn't need to be perfect, it just doesn't need to be racist, because we constantly hear whining about racism. You can't have people saying "I just want equal rights! I just want no racism! But because of the oppression of the past I don't want equal rights and I totally want racism when I can benefit from it".

Then on top of that it's taboo for us to talk about the real problems and the real causes of said problems in these neighborhoods. Basically poverty is like a get out of jail for free card. It automatically seems to excuse the rampant violence in these places..but it's also the reason they should be given special treatment. That almost..sounds like some sort of "privilege" doesn't it?

Originally posted by Surtur
So people want racism when it benefits them, but otherwise they want it to stop? You actually can't have it both ways. Either racism is bad or it isn't lol. You say it's not perfect, but the system doesn't need to be perfect, it just doesn't need to be racist, because we constantly hear whining about racism. You can't have people saying "I just want equal rights! I just want no racism! But because of the oppression of the past I don't want equal rights and I totally want racism when I can benefit from it".

Then on top of that it's taboo for us to talk about the real problems and the real causes of said problems in these neighborhoods. Basically poverty is like a get out of jail for free card. It automatically seems to excuse the rampant violence in these places..but it's also the reason they should be given special treatment. That almost..sounds like some sort of "privilege" doesn't it?

You're kidding me with this? Are you really trying to say that poverty is a privilege because that is what this sounds like.

Real problems???? Poverty is a real problem that people face and is an extremely good measure of the standard of living people have to deal with.

Poverty is one of the real problems, but they don't want to talk about the others. The privilege comes in when you have a lower standard set for you based on race. This is wrong, correct? It is racist, correct? All races should have to meet the same standards, correct?

Blacks aren't the only people suffering from poverty in this country and thus they shouldn't have lower standards set for them because of that. To which no, even if blacks represent the people with the highest rates of poverty it still doesn't mean they are the only ones suffering or should get any kind of special treatment based solely on race.

Oh you want an example of these other problems? Go check my latest posts in the black lives matter topic. This shit is getting out of control.