Is it right to give bonus points on the SAT's to certain races?

Originally posted by Surtur
Because oppression and poverty and shit! Only black people are poor and have no opportunities. We've treated Asians beautifully in this country, which is why they get none of this sweet sweet equality. You see when we put the Japanese in concentration camps we injected them all with experimental hormones to increase intelligence. We did them a favor.

I saw this old Japanese guy on the street the other day and just looked at him and said "you owe me" and he kind of nodded like he KNEW he owed me.

Yes what happened to the Japanese in WW2 was a terrible black eye on the US. But let's not pretend they are equivalent in scope.

Even if you do not agree Asian americans should have points deducted that doesn't preclude the hardships that lead to African Americans getting a boost.

Originally posted by Surtur
Because oppression and poverty and shit! Only black people are poor and have no opportunities. We've treated Asians beautifully in this country, which is why they get none of this sweet sweet equality. You see when we put the Japanese in concentration camps we injected them all with experimental hormones to increase intelligence. We did them a favor.

I saw this old Japanese guy on the street the other day and just looked at him and said "you owe me" and he kind of nodded like he KNEW he owed me.

So yea, it's exactly the same plight African Americans had to deal with in the US; I'm glad you brought it up.

I'm pretty sure most freed slaves never received those forty acres and a mule

Originally posted by Newjak
This is a silly argument. Are you saying that there wasn't a systemic movement in this country that specifically targeted African Americans and forced them into generations of slavery poverty?

Yes what happened to the Japanese in WW2 was a terrible black eye on the US. But let's not pretend they are equivalent in scope.

Even if you do not agree Asian americans should have points deducted that doesn't preclude the hardships that lead to African Americans getting a boost.

I am not disputing that black people are far more affected by poverty than white people, but I'm questioning why the race of the applicants is being looked at rather than their financial status and background.

Originally posted by Newjak
This is a silly argument. Are you saying that there wasn't a systemic movement in this country that specifically targeted African Americans and forced them into generations of slavery poverty?

Yes what happened to the Japanese in WW2 was a terrible black eye on the US. But let's not pretend they are equivalent in scope.

Even if you do not agree Asian americans should have points deducted that doesn't preclude the hardships that lead to African Americans getting a boost.

Fair enough, but I never said they were equivalent, just that Asians were wronged by us too and *we penalize them*.

The fact of the matter is no race should be given a lower bar. A person actually doesn't have to be black to suffer the negative consequences of poverty. If you want to use poverty and lack of education or lack of adequate opportunities as an excuse then the bar should be lowered for anyone coming from similar situations.

Also question: do you feel that blacks and hispanics who come from wealthy families and who attended decent schools should not receive this lower bar? Either way you are supporting racism if you support this, but I'm curious if you feel we should be racist all across the board or just to the less privileged blacks and hispanics? Essentially in your opinion how much racism is the correct amount here?

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's cool and all, but does a black boy going up in the same neighborhood as a white boy, going to the same school as a white boy, and having the same rough financial status of a white boy, have less opportunities to learn than a white boy? If so, why?

I am not disputing that black people are far more affected by poverty than white people, but I'm questioning why the race of the applicants is being looked at rather than their financial status and background.

I don't think anyone would say it is a completely fair system but I do think at one point it was a necessary evil and still could be today. I haven't done too much research on current trends in college.

If they can't do well enough on the SAT for whatever reason to fit within a university's range, how do you think they're going to fair if they actually attend, and have to take similar exams?

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's cool and all, but does a black boy going up in the same neighborhood as a white boy, going to the same school as a white boy, and having the same rough financial status of a white boy, have less opportunities to learn than a white boy? If so, why?

I am not disputing that black people are far more affected by poverty than white people, but I'm questioning why the race of the applicants is being looked at rather than their financial status and background.

Again, that is a misunderstanding of the findings. They do not show that race is looked at and black people are given bonus points. It shows that from all people accepted into college, black people on average had the lowest SAT scores.

It implies as much.

Originally posted by Newjak
Probably because those races used to be drastically underrepresented in higher education and still can be. Some of that can be directly linked to the historical nature of racism in our country.

I don't think anyone would say it is a completely fair system but I do think at one point it was a necessary evil and still could be today. I haven't done too much research on current trends in college.

So you didn't answer my question. Should the bar still be lowered for blacks and latino's who come from wealthy families and went to decent schools?

If this is about poverty and lack of opportunities..they shouldn't get that lower bar, correct?

Also you fully recognize this is racism, right? I just want to be clear that you know this is racism. Whether you want to make excuses about it being a "necessary evil" or not, you acknowledge it is racist? If you want to fight inequality with more inequality then please just come out and directly say that.

Originally posted by Surtur
So you didn't answer my question. Should the bar still be lowered for blacks and latino's who come from wealthy families and went to decent schools?

If this is about poverty and lack of opportunities..they shouldn't get that lower bar, correct?

Also you fully recognize this is racism, right? I just want to be clear that you know this is racism. Whether you want to make excuses about it being a "necessary evil" or not, you acknowledge it is racist? If you want to fight inequality with more inequality then please just come out and directly say that.

Also I'm having a difficult time finding any credible evidence that this is actually going on. I've only found sources that state the averages of student scores not that there really is a point adjustment.