Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm also black, so I get lot of government grants, lel.
You're whiter than sour cream, mayonnaise and country music tbh.
Fated, I don't need to debate when your name in a post is an auto-concession. excellent
Pff, you know damn well you enjoy my antics, we went through this already.
Least I'm not part of the ToR squaduhuh
He's not, but that is a fact you'll learn soon enough.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You're whiter than sour cream, mayonnaise and country music tbh.
Pff, you know damn well you enjoy my antics, we went through this already.Least I'm not part of the ToR squaduhuh
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He's not, but that is a fact you'll learn soon enough.The government seems to think differently.
I'd rather be in the TOR Brigade than be the PT-crowd's Neph...
Well now you've done it. I'm so angry wow.
I've never been so insulted.
🙁 too far freshest, too far.
Jk. You'll fall soon
Originally posted by NephthysI suppose that's the argument I was anticipating.
With regards to sabers, since Beni was asking, Ahsoka isn't getting through her defense when Bane couldn't. She'll tire and lose eventually. Her style seems to be very frenetic so she should expend energy quickly. And I don't think she has any stellar stamina feats.
However, Zannah's performance against Bane isn't proof she can deal with Ahsoka's combination of speed, agility and technical skill, of which Bane does not possess, especially considering that unlike then she has no familiarity with her opponents form.
With Ahsoka holding her own against Vader for almost two minutes being an exceptionally impressive stamina feat. It's very unlikely she's going to tire at all quickly.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I suppose that's the argument I was anticipating.However, Zannah's performance against Bane isn't proof she can deal with Ahsoka's combination of speed, agility and technical skill, of which Bane does not possess, especially considering that unlike then she has no familiarity with her opponents form.
With Ahsoka holding her own against Vader for almost two minutes being an exceptionally impressive stamina feat. It's very unlikely she's going to tire at all quickly.
Bane certainly does possess Ahsoka's speed, and more imo, and he hardly lacks her "technical skill". Ahsoka never even finished her training as a padawan, whereas Bane most certainly did learn all he could from Kas'im to the point where the latter couldn't pull anything Bane couldn't counter and respond to, until he went dual sabers. And Kas'im was a master of all lightsaber forms to their highest, perfected degree's. He knew every move of every form. So don't talk to me about technical skill. Ahsoka also lacks Bane's advantage of having taught Zannah everything she knew about swordsmanship. If he doesn't know a weakness that can be exploited with technical skill, Ahsoka sure as shit isn't finding any. Lmao at how you act as if Zannah had the advantage in that regard.
Lastly Ahsoka's agility will merit her nothing. A purely defensive duelist like Zannah can easily turn and meet anything she tries to pull. It takes her far less time and effort to simply turn a different way than it does Ahsoka to circle around her or jump over her.
2 minutes of fighting isn't that impressive compared to Bane fighting for hours. Zannah was specifically trained to outlast her opponent. Since Ahsoka has no method for defeating her, Zannah can tank and spank her. Even if it takes her 3 whole minutes to do so.
Originally posted by NephthysOn what basis?
Bane certainly does possess Ahsoka's speed, and more imo
and he hardly lacks her "technical skill". Ahsoka never even finished her training as a padawan, whereas Bane most certainly did learn all he could from Kas'im to the point where the latter couldn't pull anything Bane couldn't counter and respond to, until he went dual sabers. And Kas'im was a master of all lightsaber forms to their highest, perfected degree's. He knew every move of every form. So don't talk to me about technical skill.Cool, so Bane was able to respond to every move Kas'im had taught him to counter, except the moves he hadn't taught him to counter? Lel, I think it's pretty evident why that was the case, along with being significantly stronger in the Force.
And Ahsoka did finish her training, she was granted the title of Jedi Knight but rejected it. Training she received from Anakin Skywalker i.e. a better teacher than Kas'im.
Regardless Bane has nothing on contending equally with one of the most skilled and highly trained Sith in galactic history, despite having a Force augmentative disadvantage.
Ahsoka also lacks Bane's advantage of having taught Zannah everything she knew about swordsmanship. If he doesn't know a weakness that can be exploited with technical skill, Ahsoka sure as shit isn't finding any. Lmao at how you act as if [b]Zannah had the advantage in that regard.[/b]Um yes, because with Bane on the offense, it is Zannah whose going to be in a position to predict and counter his familiar attacks, not the other way around.
And considering Ahsoka possesses a greater level of technical skill than Bane, I'd disagree. Regardless that argument was never made. If Zannah is going to be overwhelmed it will be by virtue of her inability to effectively counter the sheer level of technique her opponent is practicing, as was the case in her duel against Xaj.
Lastly Ahsoka's agility will merit her nothing. A purely defensive duelist like Zannah can easily turn and meet anything she tries to pull. It takes her far less time and effort to simply turn a different way than it does Ahsoka to circle around her or jump over her.Granted Zannah's defensive capabilities will provide her some advantage, but the fact remains that a more omnidirectional assault will put a greater strain on her defences than a solely frontal one, like the kind Bane employed.
2 minutes of fighting isn't that impressive compared to Bane fighting for hours. Zannah was specifically trained to outlast her opponent. Since Ahsoka has no method for defeating her, Zannah can tank and spank her. Even if it takes her 3 whole minutes to do so.What has Bane's stamina got to do with this?
And it was almost two minutes of fighting against Vader, who well before his prime left Dooku exhausted and defeated in seconds. Granted Zannah's form nets her a stamina edge, but the fact remains Ahsoka will give her a marathon engagement, in which her Zannah will have plenty of opportunities to succumb to her opponent's superior skill or trip on a grave.
These kinds of battles always require some sort of assumed parity between Legends and Canon power levels. If we grant that, take "Rebels is Vader in his prime" seriously, and contend that Ahsoka's performance against Vader is typical for her, she pretty much annihilates Zannah and a duelist and Force user. Rebels Vader > RotS Anakin > Dooku >>>> Bane. I still don't see how she deals with the sorcery though.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
On what basis?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Cool, so Bane was able to respond to every move Kas'im had taught him to counter, except the moves he hadn't taught him to counter? Lel, I think it's pretty evident why that was the case, along with being significantly stronger in the Force.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And Ahsoka did finish her training, she was granted the title of Jedi Knight but rejected it. Training she received from Anakin Skywalker i.e. a better teacher than Kas'im.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless Bane has nothing on contending equally with one of the most skilled and highly trained Sith in galactic history, despite having a Force augmentative disadvantage.
Kas'im could've near instantly stomped Trainee Bane who had already saber soloed a dozen Tuk'ata while weakened by hunger and exhaustion and who stomped Sirak, a high level master of multiple forms and otherwise the greatest duelist in an academy where the weakest student is still more powerful than an entire division of soldiers and substantially above the Sith marauders who are capable of curbstomping Jedi Padawans. POD Bane, who is far beneath Bane's peak as a duelist, drove Kas'im into a desperate retreat.
Raskta Lsu has carved through enough Sith Lords at once to leave a litter of bodies in her wake and is regarded as the most skilled martial artist in the entire Jedi Order with a penchant for predicting the moves of her opponents and allies and for hand to hand combat, and Bane outmaneuvered her while she was augmented by battle meditation and threw her to the ground with a physical strike. Then bereft of battle meditation, Raskta with the aid of Farfalla and Johun were being driven back by Bane.
Bane can most certainly match Ahsoka's performance against Vader.
And if Zannah can escape out from under the full fury of Bane's assault even after falling on her back, then she can at the very very least hold out against Ahsoka long enough in a duel to bring her sorcery to bare.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Um yes, because with Bane on the offense, it is Zannah whose going to be in a position to predict and counter his familiar attacks, not the other way around.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And considering Ahsoka possesses a greater level of technical skill than Bane, I'd disagree.
What details are there on Ahsoka's technical skill and the advancement of her technique that's apparently just too much for Zannah to adapt to?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless that argument was never made. If Zannah is going to be overwhelmed it will be by virtue of her inability to effectively counter the sheer level of technique her opponent is practicing, as was the case in her duel against Xaj.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Granted Zannah's defensive capabilities will provide her some advantage, but the fact remains that a more omnidirectional assault will put a greater strain on her defences than a solely frontal one, like the kind Bane employed.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And Ahsoka did finish her training, she was granted the title of Jedi Knight but rejected it. Training she received from Anakin Skywalker i.e. a better teacher than Kas'im.
Source? Anakin offered her to come back as his Padawan. Thus the padawan clip/braid he offered to her with an open hand. + If Anakin had trained her to be a JK then it'd be even more ridiculous for the Council to grant him the rank of Master.