Dmb seems to have covered things pretty dang well, but I'll give my take on it just because I'm not gonna chicken out.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
On what basis?
On every basis? I mean DMB has gone into quite a bit of detail on the logical progression of Bane's speed. Bane was so fast he was able to appear to be wielding a dozen lightsabers at once to Zannah's force enhanced perceptions and DoE Bane is stated to be faster than that by her. Plus lol rain feat.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Cool, so Bane was able to respond to every move Kas'im had taught him to counter, except the moves he hadn't taught him to counter? Lel, I think it's pretty evident why that was the case, along with being significantly stronger in the Force.And Ahsoka did finish her training, she was granted the title of Jedi Knight but rejected it. Training she received from Anakin Skywalker i.e. a better teacher than Kas'im.
Yes, it's evident that Bane knew how to counter his every move, which is all of them. 😐 Do you like, have a point with that? Bane knew "every possible sequence, series, move, and trick" Kas'im had outside of his trump card and could counter them all. Since Kas'im knew every move of every form, that's a ridiculous amount of technical skill Bane possesses.
Ahsoka was offered that when the Jedi Council was trying to make up for their f*ck up. So more of a "please forgive us" instead of a "you've earned this". And so what? So she was good enough to be a freaking Jedi Knight? That doesn't mean her skills were up to the standards we're talking about here. You're suggesting she has greater technical skill than people like Bane, Sarro, Raskta and Kas'im. You think someone who barely qualified as a Jedi Knight is up to scratch?
Also Anakin is not a better teacher than Kas'im. That's ****ing retarded. Kas'im has a ridiculous amount more teaching experience than Anakin does, he was a perfect master of all lightsaber forms unlike Anakin and he was skilled enough to create hundreds of thousands of moves and sequences for all lightsaber forms in multiple lightsaber variations. Ahsoka was the first person Anakin trained, while he was still learning himself.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless Bane has nothing on contending equally with one of the most skilled and highly trained Sith in galactic history, despite having a Force augmentative disadvantage.
"Technical skill" isn't that important a factor in TCW and Rebels duels. Being able to contend with someone isn't an indication of comparable skill. Luminara call's Ventress sloppy and amateurish right before Ventress beats her. 5th Bro was contending with Ahsoka for like 2 minutes. Is he Vader level in skill? Seriously, is Ahsoka even a master of a single lightsaber form? Bane could easily replicate Ahsoka's feat and contend with Vader just like she could.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Um yes, because with Bane on the offense, it is Zannah whose going to be in a position to predict and counter his familiar attacks, not the other way around.
Um no, because Zannah's fighting style isn't reliant on predicting and countering her opponents attacks. She presents a spinning wall of defense and simply deflects attacks. Bane is the one who should be looking for weakpoints in her technique. He didn't find any and he was the one who taught her and designed for style. So how is Ahsoka going to find anything?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And considering Ahsoka possesses a greater level of technical skill than Bane, I'd disagree. Regardless that argument was never made. If Zannah is going to be overwhelmed it will be by virtue of her inability to effectively counter the sheer level of technique her opponent is practicing, as was the case in her duel against Xaj.
Ahsoka isn't a greater technical duelist than Bane. He has far more mastery of lightsaber techniques than she does and is intimately familiar with Zannah's techniques and weapon. He designed both of them and had hundreds of training duels and 20 years of prep to figure out a way to beat her. Ahsoka ain't doing shit.
Firstly, Ahsoka isn't as or more skilled as Sarro was. He had obsessively perfect technique. Secondly it wasn't just his "sheer level of technique" that was wearing down Zannah, it was his sheer size, strength and speed as well as the Battle Meditation fueling him. DoE Zannah won't have this problem with Ahsoka.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Granted Zannah's defensive capabilities will provide her some advantage, but the fact remains that a more omnidirectional assault will put a greater strain on her defences than a solely frontal one, like the kind Bane employed.
As Dmb has pointed out, Bane was coming at her from all angles including circling around her and attacking her from above. Similarly he was also doing this in RoT. Ahsoka's not going to be able to get behind Zannah either with her pivoting to face her instantly so I don't think that's worth even considering.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
What has Bane's stamina got to do with this?
Bane and Zannah have similar levels of Force reserves to draw upon and Zannah was trained to outlast her opponents, Bane specifically. It's not hard to figure out she'd be at least comparable to him in this regard.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And it was almost two minutes of fighting against Vader, who well before his prime left Dooku exhausted and defeated in seconds. Granted Zannah's form nets her a stamina edge, but the fact remains Ahsoka will give her a marathon engagement, in which her Zannah will have plenty of opportunities to succumb to her opponent's superior skill or trip on a grave.
Firstly, lol Zonakin and secondly lol Dooku's like 80 years old. Stamina is not his strong point. And as we've pointed out, Ahsoka doesn't have a skill advantage. This is also a neutral environment so no indications of any graves.