Needs to be asked how Varys has gone from knowing everything about everyone to being the most useless person on the show. How he manages to not know about hundreds of ballistas being built around King's Landing or that Euron's fleet left the city for Dragonstone.
Or for that matter in previous seasons when the Lannister army never went to Casterly Rock but in fact went to Highgarden.
What's his purpose anymore if not intelligence gathering?
Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, that was dumb. Hitting a high flying target with a ballista should be incredibly difficult and they managed it multiple times. Not to mention the whole scene was rather comedic. It came out of nowhere with no build up. Almost like something from a horror movie or dark comedy.
Daenerys's problem is not herself but her useless and traitorous set of advisers who continue to plot behind her back and somehow forget about Euron in their calculations.
Nevertheless, Qyburn had worked hard to develop anti-dragon ballista systems - these have a great range and a powerful throw with high accuracy. Ironborn are gifted archers on top with Euron being among the very best of them. Connect the dots.
If you are expecting a very high degree of realism then you are watching the wrong TV show - this TV show isn't realistic in a lot of ways.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Needs to be asked how Varys has gone from knowing everything about everyone to being the most useless person on the show. How he manages to not know about hundreds of ballistas being built around King's Landing or that Euron's fleet left the city for Dragonstone.Or for that matter in previous seasons when the Lannister army never went to Casterly Rock but in fact went to Highgarden.
What's his purpose anymore if not intelligence gathering?
Varys cannot be trusted; he is not loyal to any King or Queen. He is of the view that Daenerys is misfit to rule the seven kingdoms, and should be taken down. He would rather have Cersei and Daenerys kill each other.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThat ambush was stupid. Dany had the high ground on her dragons and should have been able to spot an entire fleet no problem from miles away, yet somehow they spot her first at the point where her dragons are close enough for them to tag with pinpoint accuracy? Her dragons fly high at high speed yet they have no trouble tagging Rhaegal with a 100% hit rate using glorified crossbows. WW2 combatants struggled more hitting aircraft with actual anti-aircraft weaponry, yet these medieval dunces make it look like childsplay. They justify Dany not seeing the ships by showing that the entire fleet was apparently hidden behind a bluff, but if she has no line of sight that means they don't either. The entire way that scene played out made no sense.
People are complaining about this scene now? Euron Greyjoy is a brilliant tactician and anticipated moves of Daenerys and her allies in advance. Not surprisingly, he set an ambush and delivered a blow to Daenerys.
And there wasn't much genius to that scene as far as Euron goes either. Dragonstone is Dany's seat. Of course she'd come back there after the Great War. If anything it was stupidity on her part not anticipating the Iron Fleet there, considering Dragonstones proximity to Kings Landing (Dragonstone is just outside of Blackwater Bay where Stannis sieged Kings Landing and where the Iron Fleet would HAVE to be staged if Euron is in KL). She could have sent scouting ships too. Euron isn't an intelligent character. Everything involving him is just stupidly written.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0The writers don't know how to write intelligent characters. Littlefinger was a joke in the end, Tyrion has been an idiot the past four seasons, Bran is useless/unfulfilled potential, and Varys hasn't been a factor for seasons.
Needs to be asked how Varys has gone from knowing everything about everyone to being the most useless person on the show. How he manages to not know about hundreds of ballistas being built around King's Landing or that Euron's fleet left the city for Dragonstone.Or for that matter in previous seasons when the Lannister army never went to Casterly Rock but in fact went to Highgarden.
What's his purpose anymore if not intelligence gathering?
Dany not allowing her army a week of rest and flying low when she's supposed to be doing aerial recon was epic retard levels of retarded even for her. It's like they're writing her so the audience starts hating her more and more.
Even after she lost a dragon, she could have attacked and burned the fleet from the rear as the boats were all close together and locked. Not even Euron's ships can turn on a dime.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Needs to be asked how Varys has gone from knowing everything about everyone to being the most useless person on the show. How he manages to not know about hundreds of ballistas being built around King's Landing or that Euron's fleet left the city for Dragonstone.Or for that matter in previous seasons when the Lannister army never went to Casterly Rock but in fact went to Highgarden.
What's his purpose anymore if not intelligence gathering?
All his little birds died or something.
But good point, season 1-4 he was the quintessential master of spies, now he's just a fat dickless bald guy questioning everything he's believed while quivering his lips.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's like they're writing her so the audience starts hating her more and more.
Exactly. Like what I said in my previous post. I dont care if she ends up winning or dying, but its still shit writing.
Especially when Dani sacrificed most her army and Dragon(s) to fight the dead and help out the north. And Sansa and others still are ungrateful with their bitchy faces on.
The Eurons fleet killed a Dragon scenario was dumb as well.
Cerci could have also just have killed Dani ez and the 30-50 people with her in front of the gates of Kings Landing.
lastly....
"Hey Sansa, I can trust you wont say a word to anyone, Please Promise me"
"Sure thing idiot who i have hated my whole life. I Promise"
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Were you not paying attention?Varys cannot be trusted; he is not loyal to any King or Queen. He is of the view that Daenerys is misfit to rule the seven kingdoms, and should be taken down. He would rather have Cersei and Daenerys kill each other.
None of that is related to my point.
Thanks though
Originally posted by Inhuman
The mad queen angle they are hinting at is incredibly dumb. Dani's character progression throughout the whole show's history would get thrown out.
She was mad queen like early on when she was conquering cities in Essos. After growing up and from experience/guidance from Tyrion, Varys , Jon and others , she was no longer like that, to a point. Now all of a sudden she will be mad queen cause shit has got to end in an edgy way.
The shows writing has been shitty these past seasons but this is still stupid.
I disagree. Now, I've defended Dany's actions before but they certainly were morally questionable and tyrannical. I just didn't think they necessitated her going to the dark side.
You claim she has changed but I don't think that is the case. Sure, she went up north but Dany has fancied herself as a heroine. It doesn't mean she is no longer a tyrant. Honestly, I feel that this episode stayed very true to her character and they did a good job of showing her getting to her breaking point.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Needs to be asked how Varys has gone from knowing everything about everyone to being the most useless person on the show. How he manages to not know about hundreds of ballistas being built around King's Landing or that Euron's fleet left the city for Dragonstone.Or for that matter in previous seasons when the Lannister army never went to Casterly Rock but in fact went to Highgarden.
What's his purpose anymore if not intelligence gathering?
It's a shame seeing all these brilliant characters like Varys and Tyrion become utterly incompetent these past few season.
I dunno man, Everyone seems to be doing dumb things and be written pretty bad so far.
You are not entirely wrong, but I failt to see how she would have absolutely no character growth since her Essos tyrant days.
Like Rob said , they are trying to make her into a character you want to hate. Like telling Jon to promise to keep his mouth shut because she wants the Throne for herself. And not caring about resting her troops, etc. When there was an entire arc about her falling in love and her view of what she wanted (the Throne ) was taking a back seat, last season. They went out of their way to make it seem her whole perspective had changed.
But I guess it falls in line with the typical GOT "twists" they like to do.
Originally posted by Inhuman
I dunno man, Everyone seems to be doing dumb things and be written pretty bad so far.
You are not entirely wrong, but I failt to see how she would have absolutely no character growth since her Essos tyrant days.Like Rob said , they are trying to make her into a character you want to hate. Like telling Jon to promise to keep his mouth shut because she wants the Throne for herself. And not caring about resting her troops, etc. When there was an entire arc about her falling in love and her view of what she wanted (the Throne ) was taking a back seat, last season. They went out of their way to make it seem her whole perspective had changed.
But I guess it falls in line with the typical GOT "twists" they like to do.
It's not really a twist though, and I expect this came from GRRM. The books certainly seem to be moving in this direction after all.
Anyway, I never really saw her developing in that light. Sure, she went to help the north but it's not as if she put her conquest behind her. In fact, helping the north was a way to get their loyalty. I'm also not sure this episode was made to make us hate her. In fact, I sympathized with her throughout much the episode. She has lost most of her friends and most loyal supporters, only Greworm and Drogon are left. Furthermore, she has learned she is not the rightful queen and that she is truly an outsider in Westeros. Things are falling apart for her and she has begun to crack.