Some of my favorite 1on1 scenes are the Hound and Arya, we just lost this type of writing starting in season 5, eg recall any scene with the Sand Snakes, god awful.
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Originally posted by emporerpants
Am I the only one who feels a little bit like they wasted their time with this series because of this season? I mean, overall the show was good, but after all the build up this season sucking so bad just really...well...SUCKS.
The reason it was garbage was because the writing was awful and there was no payoff to a lot of stories that had years and years of build up that went no where.
Decisions they made to end it make no sense.
Its not about a happy ending but its about wrapping up loose ends and arcs in a semi proper way.
- Azor-Ahai/Prince that was promised - Meaningless, waste of time, goes no where.
- Night King/White walkers - Waste of time. Build up for almost nothing. In the end they just threw in a plot device to get them out the way.
- Cersei's Witch Fortune- one part of it came true (kids dead), but her dying by one of her brothers, D&D just forgot about this.
- Jon coming back to life - Pretty much meaningless. R=L=J/His bloodline( The biggest secret and "Oh Shit" moment int he show) led to nothing really.
- Faceless man story line - In the end meant little other than the lazy Night King plot device.
- Arya - She just fuks off to the west for whatever reason. For all anyone knows she is self suiciding because there is nothing to the west. But Arya is now a experienced world traveler that can overcome any challenge.
- Melisandre - All her cryptic actions lead to nothing really. In the end she self suicide for no reason. Its not like she dies in relief because her work is done. Because if it was, it was badly done.
- 3 Eyed Raven - pretty meaningless besides Bran using cheat codes to make it so he wins the game.
- Dani's growth through 7 seasons, going from stupid young girl , to semi decent ruler because of experience and countless of (smarter than her) advisers, new love that changed her perspective and fighting for humanity itself, ends up being a mass murderer that killed more innocents than all of the villains of the show combined, because she didnt get dicked down and her BFF died.
- Sansa - Stupid idiot girl that was a major reason all the drama started , became the smartest person in Westeros because of a series of abuse and raping. The North being independent serves no one but this self centered ****. Especially that her brother is the King now so that makes this even more dumb.
- Jaime killing the mad king results in Jaime still being a free man and also was left with a high position of power.
Jon killed the mad queen, who was a mass murderer and in her victory speech said she was going to show the same "mercy" she showed kings landing to all the houses of Westeros, is jailed and sentenced to rot in the Nights Watch, with not being able to marry and have kids, ect, to appease a foreign dickless war criminal. All the lords agree that this is the only thing that can be done.
- Choosing the new King scene - Everyone is in confusion to who the king should be twiddling their thumbs, when Aegon fuking Targaryen is alive and well. Saved humanity from the white walkers, saved Westeros from the Mad Queen, but yeah fuk this guy. Its not like Jon's actions led to Bran and Sansa's position in power. A pardon is way too much to ask. Lets not anger this foreign invader with a small diminished army that will die in a few months from not having resources living in a deserted burned down city.
- The real winner in this is Tyrion. He is basically the new King. Bran is just face that will show up and make decisions 10% of the time. 90% of the time it will be Tyrion and his council doing meaningful shit.
Bran will spend most of his days , looking at Westeros porn in his head.
I could go on and on....
I get it people hate happy endings and that edgy ending are preferred, but not at the expense of good writing. Also "some" fan service and having payoffs to story lines would have been nice.
This ending would be like if D&D wrote Star Wars.
Luke doesnt destroy the Death Star. Some random X-wing pilot does.
Lando kills Vader and Palatine in episode 5.
Episode 6, Luke does nothing and Leia does everything and gets all the glory.
i think they alluded to bran pulling all the strings that he could and if he is the true champion of the lord of light then he may have pulled all the strings to become king.
i dont think jon's story amounts to nothing in the end. eveyrone was placed in a certain way like a chessboard and moved to make bran king. they probably banished him due to him being the only other targaryean and have a legitimate claim to throne. they had to deligitimize him again to stop any further possible conquests. yeah they should have done him better but i guess as long as he stays north he's basically in or adjacent to the free state of winterfell now so not much he really has to worry about.
Originally posted by staxamillion
i think they alluded to bran pulling all the strings that he could and if he is the true champion of the lord of light then he may have pulled all the strings to become king.
Making Bran the king is fuking dumb though. He stopped being an actual character early on. He was just an exposition/plot device. He was even absent for a full season, thats how important that character was to the story.
They threw it in your face over and over that he has no connection to this world anymore. No desires. He isnt even Bran Stark anymore.
Yet in the end he is a power hungry, chess playing schemer, that did what he could to become king.
What a clever twist. "Thats what im here for chumps, put that fuking crown on my head stat."
Its stupid writing.
Originally posted by Inhuman
The reason it was garbage was because the writing was awful and there was no payoff to a lot of stories that had years and years of build up that went no where.
Decisions they made to end it make no sense.
Its not about a happy ending but its about wrapping up loose ends and arcs in a semi proper way.- Azor-Ahai/Prince that was promised - Meaningless, waste of time, goes no where.
- Night King/White walkers - Waste of time. Build up for almost nothing. In the end they just threw in a plot device to get them out the way.
- Cersei's Witch Fortune- one part of it came true (kids dead), but her dying by one of her brothers, D&D just forgot about this.
- Jon coming back to life - Pretty much meaningless. R=L=J/His bloodline( The biggest secret and "Oh Shit" moment int he show) led to nothing really.
- Faceless man story line - In the end meant little other than the lazy Night King plot device.
- Arya - She just fuks off to the west for whatever reason. For all anyone knows she is self suiciding because there is nothing to the west. But Arya is now a experienced world traveler that can overcome any challenge.
- Melisandre - All her cryptic actions lead to nothing really. In the end she self suicide for no reason. Its not like she dies in relief because her work is done. Because if it was, it was badly done.
- 3 Eyed Raven - pretty meaningless besides Bran using cheat codes to make it so he wins the game.
- Dani's growth through 7 seasons, going from stupid young girl , to semi decent ruler because of experience and countless of (smarter than her) advisers, new love that changed her perspective and fighting for humanity itself, ends up being a mass murderer that killed more innocents than all of the villains of the show combined, because she didnt get dicked down and her BFF died.
- Sansa - Stupid idiot girl that was a major reason all the drama started , became the smartest person in Westeros because of a series of abuse and raping. The North being independent serves no one but this self centered ****. Especially that her brother is the King now so that makes this even more dumb.
- Jaime killing the mad king results in Jaime still being a free man and also was left with a high position of power.
Jon killed the mad queen, who was a mass murderer and in her victory speech said she was going to show the same "mercy" she showed kings landing to all the houses of Westeros, is jailed and sentenced to rot in the Nights Watch, with not being able to marry and have kids, ect, to appease a foreign dickless war criminal. All the lords agree that this is the only thing that can be done.- Choosing the new King scene - Everyone is in confusion to who the king should be twiddling their thumbs, when Aegon fuking Targaryen is alive and well. Saved humanity from the white walkers, saved Westeros from the Mad Queen, but yeah fuk this guy. Its not like Jon's actions led to Bran and Sansa's position in power. A pardon is way too much to ask. Lets not anger this foreign invader with a small diminished army that will die in a few months from not having resources living in a deserted burned down city.
- The real winner in this is Tyrion. He is basically the new King. Bran is just face that will show up and make decisions 10% of the time. 90% of the time it will be Tyrion and his council doing meaningful shit.
Bran will spend most of his days , looking at Westeros porn in his head.I could go on and on....
I get it people hate happy endings and that edgy ending are preferred, but not at the expense of good writing. Also "some" fan service and having payoffs to story lines would have been nice.
This ending would be like if D&D wrote Star Wars.
Luke doesnt destroy the Death Star. Some random X-wing pilot does.
Lando kills Vader and Palatine in episode 5.
Episode 6, Luke does nothing and Leia does everything and gets all the glory.
Some of that has merit, some doesn't and some is you mistaking stuff
The Night King issue is the biggest one for me because so much of what happened in previous seasons seemed to be feeding that story. Everything from Robert and Ned's deaths. Stannis' death, Tywin's death, Randall Tarly, Barriston Selmy. All of that was the armies of the living inadvertently weakening themselves. The loss of the realm's best battle commanders and warriors. It all set up for them to be devastated by the Night King.
They really should have lengthened the season and had the living be defeated at Winterfell then chased south. They could've made a stand at the twins thinking the river would give them a tactical advantage only for the Night King to freeze the river allowing his army to cross.
Then they could've made a stand at The Erye and lost again having to retreat east then by sea. Having the dead dragon destroy the tower.
Eventually have them have to retreat to King's Landing and have Cersei decide whether to allow them into the city or not. Perhaps even had Euron kill the undead dragon with a wildfyre laced scorpion bolt.
Have the undead armies swarm King's Landing killing people and Dany having to burn people as well as the undead.
After the victory have a tense standoff inside the city.
Have Cersei kill Dany, Jaime kill Cersei but have it look like he killed Dany and have him sent to the wall.
So many other options.
Instead it's like they had two hats with names in them and had random name from hat 1 kill random name from hat 2.
Then had another draw of the survivors and where they would end up.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Making Bran the king is fuking dumb though. He stopped being an actual character early on. He was just an exposition/plot device. He was even absent for a full season, thats how important that character was to the story.
They threw it in your face over and over that he has no connection to this world anymore. No desires. He isnt even Bran Stark anymore.
Yet in the end he is a power hungry, chess playing schemer, that did what he could to become king.
What a clever twist. "Thats what im here for chumps, put that fuking crown on my head stat."
Its stupid writing.
i agree, i hope in the books more detail and attention will explain it better
What a ****in awful episode. Bran as king? Really?!
That council scene was completely terrible. Everyone just agrees with Bran becoming king. Why? Then no one has an issue with Sansa Stark and the North succeeding from the Seven Kingdoms. If even she doesn't want to be under Bran's rule, why the hell would anyone else consent to it? Just awful.
At least Jon didn't seem to join the NW and went with the Wildlings beyond the Wall. Honestly, it's not a terrible ending for the character. On the other hand, Arya just ****s off to the West for some reason.
Oh, and that small council scene was terrible. The humor was awful and out of place and Bronn becoming master of coin is utter nonsense.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Just surviving is a happy ending on this show lol.Two of them Becoming Rulers, is like great for them, especially given where they were as a family post the Red Wedding.
I was honestly expecting a really depressing Spartacus type end.
I was expecting Drogon to straight up murder Jon but I forgot for a moment he carried the Plotgaryen bloodline and Drogon instead was all "you killed my mother y-you-you big doo doo head! I'm leaving!" That was just stupid.
Everyone has basically already said everything I could complain about. However, there's also a lot of small details that show how lazy they have gotten with editing and how disjointed scenes have become.
For example: Jon sees Greyworm about to execute the row of Lannister men, he gets mad but Davos says let's go see the Queen, Jon is like alright. Jon leaves, we see Greyworm slitting their throats behind him. Cut ahead, and Jon is mounting the steps to go and see Dany and somehow Greyworm is already at the top waiting. How the f*** did he beat him there? Where the f*** did Jon go that took him that long to arrive there?
Jon was garbage this season. He just saw Dany murder thousands of innocents and he's still playing the "She's mah queen" card when he goes to visit Tyrion. Thousands of innocent women and children burned alive and he's like well she's our queen, it's her choice. Then when he confronts her in the throne room, he's ass hurt about the f***ing 6 Lannister SOLDIERS that Greyworm was executing? He gets mad at her over that?! F***ing LOL.....
Just brutal.