Game of Thrones

The ending was not smart. Jon is built up for seasons to take the throne. Then he gets shafted after saving everyone's butt from crazy pants. Tyrion made the suggestion to kill Dany and didn't even try to defend him or just say who he was after it was done. Didn't put his name to the throne. Talked all about stories but ignored Jon's completely insane and better than Bran's story. How many people even know what the Three Eyed Raven is or what he does?

They never even told anyone he was Agon. If they had he wouldn't have been punished. So what the rightful heir to the throne killed his aunt who had no actual claim. And even though he didn't want it, Bran didn't either.

Also how it he didn't want to rule Winterfell but he's cool ruling all of Westeros sans the Norrh ironically? If anything Bran could have gotten a new seat at the Small Council. Master of Records or Knowledge or something.

Even ignoring how Jon was built up to be on the throne, just look at how passive he becomes cuz of dany? Only to act when it is too late. He had no real agency the last 2 seasons.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Just a bunch of crybabies whining because their favourite show came to an end and not in a way they would’ve wanted. Sure, it had problems, but they could find those same kind of problems in S1, S2, etc.(the ostensibly good seasons) if they looked for them with the same fervorous butthurt they’re doing with S8.

Yup. GoT has never been about expected or happy endings.

The tears because Jon Snow isn't on the throne is amusing to me. That's exactly the expected ending that almost certainly wasn't going to happen. Dany's dogmatic claim to the throne getting her in trouble was a profound and powerful statement. Liked that a lot. And Bran finally becoming useful was great. Like I said before the final episode, if Bran didn't become useful it was going to be very sloppy writing. But he did indeed come through. And now instead of leaving Kings/Queens to the luck of birth they'll be choosing Kings/Queens with the council. It's progress. I liked the mockery of democracy in that scene.

Jon's the only one who gets a pass when it comes to Dany. He was in love with her and blinded by that. Even when he found out she was his aunt his feelings didn't change. He just couldn't act on then anymore because of how he was raised. Everyone else with the power to do anything aside from Varys who died trying was either dead like Jorah, or just didn't give a shit like Grey Worm. Or was a complete idiot about it like Tyrion.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yup. GoT has never been about expected or happy endings.

The tears because Jon Snow isn't on the throne is amusing to me. That's exactly the expected ending that almost certainly wasn't going to happen. Dany's dogmatic claim to the throne getting her in trouble was a profound and powerful statement. Liked that a lot. And Bran finally becoming useful was great. Like I said before the final episode, if Bran didn't become useful it was going to be very sloppy writing. But he did indeed come through. And now instead of leaving Kings/Queens to the luck of birth they'll be choosing Kings/Queens with the council. It's progress. I liked the mockery of democracy in that scene.

Be fair, the complaints do not merely boil down to "there was no happy ending".

There is legitimate criticism to be had.

Well like AG pointed out, it's complaints that could be applied to previous seasons. No one cried about it then. It's just because it's the end and the writing in the end didn't benefit some of the big characters. Who cares? That's GoT. It's not about the favorite characters living happilly ever after. And no hated character ever dies gruesomely enough. We're used to it. But they delivered some visually stunning and compelling drama to finish it off. I don't get the complaints. People just like to b!tch about shows. I've never seen The Sopranos, but I remember everyone complaining about the ending of that, too.

It's not like Lost that just negated everything that ever happened and made it completely meaningless. That is an awful end to a series.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well like AG pointed out, it's complaints that could be applied to previous seasons. No one cried about it then. It's just because it's the end and the writing in the end didn't benefit some of the big characters. Who cares? That's GoT. It's not about the favorite characters living happilly ever after. And no hated character ever dies gruesomely enough. We're used to it. But they delivered some visually stunning and compelling drama to finish it off. I don't get the complaints. People just like to b!tch about shows. I've never seen The Sopranos, but I remember everyone complaining about the ending of that, too.

It's not like Lost that just negated everything that ever happened and made it completely meaningless. That is an awful end to a series.

Maybe you can touch on some of the complaints that apply to the first season, or are you just assuming another person you have never met will do so...?

The writing and story S1-4 are drastically better than S5-8.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Well like AG pointed out, it's complaints that could be applied to previous seasons.

I consider the whole last season illegitimate anyway, because the showrunners are deciding how to end the story rather than George R.R. Martin - but that's GRRM's fault for failing to deliver that last book for several years now, despite his off-and-on declarations that he's ready to send the manuscript to the publisher (in between his snorts of "Don't Rush Me" to the fans.) I mean, they started making Harry Potter movies when J.K. Rowling was only halfway through writing the series, and she delivered the last book in excellent time for the filmmakers to work on. That is a responsible work ethic.

Plus, the last few episodes have just f***ed over Dany, giving her a dark fall in character that comes out of nowhere. George Lucas gave Anakin more motivations for his fall in just three movies than Dany gets in eight seasons. 👇

Originally posted by roughrider
George Lucas gave Anakin more motivations for his fall in just three movies than Dany gets in eight seasons. 👇

Originally posted by roughrider
I consider the whole last season illegitimate anyway, because the showrunners are deciding how to end the story rather than George R.R. Martin - but that's GRRM's fault for failing to deliver that last book for several years now, despite his off-and-on declarations that he's ready to send the manuscript to the publisher (in between his snorts of "Don't Rush Me" to the fans.) I mean, they started making Harry Potter movies when J.K. Rowling was only halfway through writing the series, and she delivered the last book in excellent time for the filmmakers to work on. That is a responsible work ethic.

Plus, the last few episodes have just f***ed over Dany, giving her a dark fall in character that comes out of nowhere. George Lucas gave Anakin more motivations for his fall in just three movies than Dany gets in eight seasons. 👇

Dany going crazy wasnt too far fetched though. She'd experienced so much bad shit in her life that there had to be a breaking point. And like Tyrion said she let her power get to her head. Most importantly her dad already did the same thing in similar circumstances. He was seeing enemies when there were none. Like how Dany declared war on the entire world.

Jon got it far worse.

Originally posted by Surtur
Maybe you can touch on some of the complaints that apply to the first season, or are you just assuming another person you have never met will do so...?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Lol what the f*ck...? When someone says that the culmination of seven seasons and eight years buildup is terribly written/paced/scripted/ and at times edited, and is all-in-all a poorly executed disappointment... you think that's something that can be applied to season 01?

"Previous seasons" =/= Season 01.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
"Previous seasons" =/= Season 01.

And you think it's good?

Originally posted by KingD19
Dany going crazy wasnt too far fetched though. She'd experienced so much bad shit in her life that there had to be a breaking point. And like Tyrion said she let her power get to her head. Most importantly her dad already did the same thing in similar circumstances. He was seeing enemies when there were none. Like how Dany declared war on the entire world.

Jon got it far worse.

It was just last season when Jon Snow complimented Dany at Dragonstone for not taking King's Landing as of yet because (he surmises) she doesn't want to kill so many innocents just to depose Cersei. Fast forward nine episodes, and all of Dany's principles are suddenly out the window. 😠 She admitted that her father was an evil man, but that she isn't him. Fast forward nine episodes, and she now is.

Originally posted by roughrider
It was just last season when Jon Snow complimented Dany at Dragonstone for not taking King's Landing as of yet because (he surmises) she doesn't want to kill so many innocents just to depose Cersei. Fast forward nine episodes, and all of Dany's principles are suddenly out the window. 😠

Nine episodes where she -
Saw Viserion die again.
Saw Rhaegal get shot out of the sky.
Saw Misande beheaded.
Got rejected by Ajon because he's not cool with the Sister-Wife shit and won't boink his aunty.
Had to worry constantly about Jon's true identity as Agon being revealed, thus negating her claim to the Iron Throne, thus f*cking over all the years of hardship and conquest she's gone through to get to this point where it's literally right there.
Had to worry about possibly killing Jon if his identity was revealed.(we all know she thought about it)
Had to worry about her being killed if Jon took over.(She thought about that too. Anyone in her position would)
Lost a majority of her Dothraki raiders to the Dead Army.
Got Jorah killed protecting her.
Lost a majority of the Ironborn ships pledged to her.
Been backstabbed by Varys and Tyrion multiple times.
Had to fight with Sansa and Arya every step of the way during her time in the North.

There's more but you get my point. In a very short span of time, she got f*cked over royal back to back, over and over and over again. She literally snapped when Cersei finally had the gall to not just roll over and die. Mental illness just seems to run in the family...or she took too many blows too fast and snapped.

^

Yup. Tragedy is what GoT does.

Not that what Dany did wasn't extreme. Of course it was, but she was pissed, sad, and (very importantly) dogmatically committed to winning the throne. It was understandable in an awful sort of way.

"That's right Jon, I allowed hundreds of thousands to die, and your life to be ruined so I could be King."

"Enjoy the Wall."

How embarrassing that people whining about those who didn't like the final season are saying it's because they didn't get the endings they wanted for certain characters.

I've never liked Dany, ive always thought she was going to be a tyrant, and I've always thought Jon would be the one to kill her.

Well guess what? All of that happened, and I still thought her arc this season, and especially the last 2 episodes, was absolute dogshit.

So now what, geniuses? Got anything else?