Game of Thrones

Originally posted by SquallX
And I can always counter with, it was never once proven she was showing any signs of madness.

Hell, Dany locked up her dragons, the only reason Drogon wasn’t locked up was because he flew away when Drogon killed a child. That’s not madness.

Like you said could have been true, but not showing it and turning into a foil in 1 episode is both character assassination and bad writing.

One could argue her gleefully crucifying all those dudes was quite mad. This doesn't mean they weren't bad guys, but still.

There was nothing sane about murdering Sam's bro and dad.

Plus...what other than mental illness explains developing feelings for a guy who repeatedly raped you? She willingly sacrificed her baby in order to save her rapist.

Originally posted by Surtur
One could argue her gleefully crucifying all those dudes was quite mad. This doesn't mean they weren't bad guys, but still.

There was nothing sane about murdering Sam's bro and dad.

Plus...what other than mental illness explains developing feelings for a guy who repeatedly raped you? She willingly sacrificed her baby in order to save her rapist.

1. Arya killed, cut every Frey male, then Walder’s sons We’re fed to Walder in pie. After Arya removed her mask, she smile while she killed Walder. So I guess Arya can kill with a smile on her, but once Dany does it, it’s wrong? Those masters that she crucified were also murdering and slavering people for centuries.

2. Your second point is idiotic. The war was over, yet Robert smiled when he heard the rape of Elia and the murder of Aegon and Rhaennys. Even said the lest dragonspawns the better. As to your main point. Sam’s father was a **** that betrayed his lord liege, the rightful heir, the Tyrells. Guess what happen when you betray your lords? You ****ing die. Daenerys even gave them a chance, they refused, she killed them. Damn simple.

3. The only point you made that made sense was her coming to love Drogo. But at the same time, Robert also raped Cersei. Ygritte also rape Jon depending on how you look at it.

You seem completely unable to grasp the very simple concept that insanity runs in the Targaryen family. It's that coupled with the morally questionable choices she made while pretending to be some merciful ruler that hinted at her insanity.

Originally posted by ares834
You seem completely unable to grasp the very simple concept that insanity runs in the Targaryen family. It's that coupled with the morally questionable choices she made while pretending to be some merciful ruler that hinted at her insanity.

While you fail to understand basic character assassination. You fail to understand foreshadowing is not character development.

Season 1 through 7 Dany committed no crimes that would make anyone with basic understanding of the character would willingly claimed her to be mad.

Like I’ve said before, from season 1-7, show me her bouts and madness. No one have yet to make any points. There go to are she a Targ, and the mad kings daughter. Which is ****ing idiotic to debate if those are the talking points being use.

People who justified her violence eventually went to fed her madness. This doesn't mean that the action themselves were unacceptable but once she finally snapped Dany was unable to see teh differrence between burning a population and the punishment she previously delievered.

Originally posted by Bentley
People who justified her violence eventually went to fed her madness. This doesn't mean that the action themselves were unacceptable but once she finally snapped Dany was unable to see teh differrence between burning a population and the punishment she previously delievered.

In that world, violence begets violence. In Westeros/Essos, if your a leader and your soft, you die.

Everyone in that world committed atrocities one form another. I would say, the only one that really didn’t commit any atrocities was Ned, and look were that got him.

In season 1-7, Dany’s actions held merits, se never kill just to kill.

Originally posted by SquallX
1. Arya killed, cut every Frey male, then Walder’s sons We’re fed to Walder in pie. After Arya removed her mask, she smile while she killed Walder. So I guess Arya can kill with a smile on her, but once Dany does it, it’s wrong? Those masters that she crucified were also murdering and slavering people for centuries.

2. Your second point is idiotic. The war was over, yet Robert smiled when he heard the rape of Elia and the murder of Aegon and Rhaennys. Even said the lest dragonspawns the better. As to your main point. Sam’s father was a **** that betrayed his lord liege, the rightful heir, the Tyrells. Guess what happen when you betray your lords? You ****ing die. Daenerys even gave them a chance, they refused, she killed them. Damn simple.

3. The only point you made that made sense was her coming to love Drogo. But at the same time, Robert also raped Cersei. Ygritte also rape Jon depending on how you look at it.

1. It seems like you're under the impression Aria comes off as mentally stable. She doesn't.

2. Jorah betrayed her, did she burn him alive for it?

3. When was it said Robert raped Cersei? Lol and no way was Jon raped. Even if you want to say he was...Dany sacrificed her own child in order to save her rapist.

While you fail to understand basic character assassination. You fail to understand foreshadowing is not character development.

Season 1 through 7 Dany committed no crimes that would make anyone with basic understanding of the character would willingly claimed her to be mad.

Like I’ve said before, from season 1-7, show me her bouts and madness. No one have yet to make any points. There go to are she a Targ, and the mad kings daughter. Which is ****ing idiotic to debate if those are the talking points being use.

This is where she snapped. That's the ****in point. They foreshadowed the fact that she was insane and this is the point where she breaks.

Dany was well placed to be an evil ruler. It's just the final delivery came off as rushed and unbelievable.

She showed evil and sadistic tendencies from the get-go. I could make a pretty long list, as many have done I'm sure. The difference is that she was killing evil men/women, so we figured it was justice. But really she was killing them for the simple fact that they refused to bend the knee. It was all meant to be a literary slight of hand to trick us. I'm sure GRRM will do a better job at it, even though the cat's out of the bag

Originally posted by Surtur
1. It seems like you're under the impression Aria comes off as mentally stable. She doesn't.

2. Jorah betrayed her, did she burn him alive for it?

3. When was it said Robert raped Cersei? Lol and no way was Jon raped. Even if you want to say he was...Dany sacrificed her own child in order to save her rapist.

1. Yet only dany is labeled as mad. And people are claiming she was mad from season 1 though 7.

2. She banished Jorah for his betrayal.

3. When Robert was in cups, he sometimes force himself upon her. Jon was rape at the start. He did not want to sleep with Ygritte at the beginning, but since he had to play along, and her no nonsense attitude he give in to her. If it was reverse, we would have called it rape.

Dany did not sacrifice her child to save Drogo. Hell she only realize the sacrifice she had to make after the deed was done.

Originally posted by ares834
This is where she snapped. That's the ****in point. They foreshadowed the fact that she was insane and this is the point where she breaks.

Yet you still fail to understand foreshadowing is not character progress.

I can write a comic and foreshadowed Superman becoming evil, but if Superman never committed atrocities and on the last boom turn him evil, that’s not characterization, that’s character assassination.

Yet I’ve ask multiple times for you to write those instances of her going crazy, and you always bring up the foreshadowing crap. Give me actual instances.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Dany was well placed to be an evil ruler. It's just the final delivery came off as rushed and unbelievable.

She showed evil and sadistic tendencies from the get-go. I could make a pretty long list, as many have done I'm sure. The difference is that she was killing evil men/women, so we figured it was justice. But really she was killing them for the simple fact that they refused to bend the knee. It was all meant to be a literary slight of hand to trick us. I'm sure GRRM will do a better job at it, even though the cat's out of the bag

Write them down then.

you should get more triggered over a TV show. 👆

okay fine:

-watched coldly as her brother was tortured to death
-watched proudly as her husband vowed to rape the women of westeros
-burned a woman alive at drogo’s pyre
-threatened to burn all quarth’s citizens alive because of the actions of their leaders (hello?)
-crucified men in ‘eye for an eye’ “justice”, regardless of how their position on the majority decision of treatment of slaves
-destroyed the leadership of the free cities, carelessly leaving behind chaos and human suffering
-burned the tarleys alive for not bending the knee. Nothing more, no evil war crimes, just didn’t bend the knee.
-kept Jon snow captive and under threat because he didn’t bend the knee, even though she agreed to a parlay, supposedly in good faith (she lied)
-believed that the army of the dead would extinct humanity and stilll used it as a political bargaining chip

Now, predictably prove to me that I wasted my time in typing that, because you refuse to get the point which was even explained by tyrion (for all the folks who couldn't/didn't follow the story)

Originally posted by Bashar Teg

The difference is that she was killing evil men/women, so we figured it was justice. But really she was killing them for the simple fact that they refused to bend the knee. It was all meant to be a literary slight of hand to trick us.

Yet you still fail to understand foreshadowing is not character progress. I can write a comic and foreshadowed Superman becoming evil, but if Superman never committed atrocities and on the last boom turn him evil, that’s not characterization, that’s character assassination. Yet I’ve ask multiple times for you to write those instances of her going crazy, and you always bring up the foreshadowing crap. Give me actual instances.

As I said in the last point, this is where she snaps. She isn't completely batshit until this point. It's not a slow build up to insanity, it's a sudden turn. The show teased the potential for her insanity and it's at this point it fully manifests.

I also don't think you know what the term "character assassination" means because you keep using it incorrectly.

i disagree that she was insane. she was just a typical targ, like aegon the conqueror. no different really

Aegon would never have torched King's Landing after Cersei surrendered. During his conquest, he often let people surrender even after they waged war against him.

Originally posted by ares834
Aegon would never have torched King's Landing after Cersei surrendered. During his conquest, he often let people surrender even after they waged war against him.

we don't know every detail of his conquest. he did allow the north to survive unburnt, but what if the reigning stark had publicly beheaded his best friend?

torrhen stark knelt to save his people, thus implying that he figured his people would all die if he lacked the wisdom to do so. was he correct? who knows

I was thinking more along the lines of the Lannisters. Loren initially waged war, but after he was defeated Aegon allowed him to surrender and kneel. But, yes, if Loren (or someone else) had publicly executed Aegon's closest friend he may not have been so forgiving. Consider what he did to Dorne after they killed one of his wives.

Originally posted by SquallX
1. Yet only dany is labeled as mad. And people are claiming she was mad from season 1 though 7.

Because she murdered hundreds of thousands. Nobody else on the show has a body count coming close so it's not going to be talked about as much.

2. She banished Jorah for his betrayal.

Exactly, she didn't kill him.

3. When Robert was in cups, he sometimes force himself upon her. Jon was rape at the start. He did not want to sleep with Ygritte at the beginning, but since he had to play along, and her no nonsense attitude he give in to her. If it was reverse, we would have called it rape.

Where was it said he forced himself on her? I remember Cersei saying she would avoid sex and finish him off in other ways, I do not recall her saying she was raped.

Jon was not raped, don't be silly. Ygritte sure as hell didn't tell him to go down on her.

Dany did not sacrifice her child to save Drogo. Hell she only realize the sacrifice she had to make after the deed was done.

Incorrect she did know in advance, what she did not know was that Drogo would be "saved" as in...not dying, but he wouldn't be functional.