Game of Thrones

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MF DELPH aka Rakim Illa

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Like I said

BEAST

I disagree with your assessment. If Jon knew he had reinforcements it doesn't mean the battle would have taken place at a much later date. If anything Jon and Co. could have just planned to take the battlefield an hour or so later since the Knights of the Vale were already coming and would have arrived during the battle. Ramsay still would have had no knowledge of their involvement. It could have resulted in a lot less of Jon's forces dying in that shield formation as well.

Firefly218 Restricted

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Begging the guy who sold you to a rapist for help after initially being, rightfully, angry with him does not make one a beast. Even if one were to accept that Sansa withheld the information of the army as a brilliant strategy, and I don't, that would just make Sansa a complete monster who is willing to sacrifice both her brothers rather than tell the truth. If he had not been wearing his plot armor Jon would have died half a hundred times.
Could be that Sansa channeled her fury towards Littlefinger to make him feel indebted to her, therefore making it easier to demand his help in the battle.

If that theory about Sansa not telling Jon to avoid a siege is true, it doesn't make sense that she was trying to convince him to wait though

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, not sure why Wun Wun went weaponless. Trees all around, could have easily made a large club of some sort.
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Even if they just gave him a rudimentary wooden club(proportional to his size, of course), this is what I see happening:

...Which, in hindsight, is probably why the plot didn't give him weaponry, lol.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well at least Sansa using that move gave her a showing of competence in a decisive battle. Though I do wonder just how effective the Vale would've been considering how Jon's original plan crumbled due to the Rickon situation.
They would have still won.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Begging the guy who sold you to a rapist for help after initially being, rightfully, angry with him does not make one a beast. Even if one were to accept that Sansa withheld the information of the army as a brilliant strategy, and I don't, that would just make Sansa a complete monster who is willing to sacrifice both her brothers rather than tell the truth. If he had not been wearing his plot armor Jon would have died half a hundred times.
It does make Sansa a bit heartless, but after everything she went through as a character, I can definitely see her transitioning into someone more ruthless. She was pretty coldhearted about the fact that Rickon was going to die so it's supported.

Plus, Littlefinger is devoted to her. He is her bannerman, and he is at her disposal, as he stated. She hardly had to beg. A letter ordering him to march was sufficient. Was Robb begging when he ordered his Bannermen to march? No, because they were loyal to him and his cause. Sure, it's Littlefinger, and it will likely bite her in the ass hard, but for now she managed a brilliant play that won her the North.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I disagree with your assessment. If Jon knew he had reinforcements it doesn't mean the battle would have taken place at a much later date. If anything Jon and Co. could have just planned to take the battlefield an hour or so later since the Knights of the Vale were already coming and would have arrived during the battle. Ramsay still would have had no knowledge of their involvement. It could have resulted in a lot less of Jon's forces dying in that shield formation as well.
That would still be sacrificing tons of people. The battle was a slaughter through and through. It wasn't an epic battle spanning the entire day. Jon's people were getting slaughtered in an instant (too quick to time using hours as you suggested) and there is no way he as a character would subjugate them to that when he could wait to have an army rivaling Ramsays. Thats just not the character he is. Plus, it's not just my assessment. It's pretty widespread right now. It's the only way any of the dialogue and scenes with Sansa prior to the battle make any sense.

MF DELPH aka Rakim Illa

Yeah, the Knight's of the Vale gave Jon's side a massive mounted infantry advantage. Pretty much all of Ramsay's mounted fighters died in the initial charge or were killed by Ramsay's own archers. If the Knights had been there out the gate the shield formation likely never occurs.

wakkawakkawakka Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
They would have still won.

Jon had a pretty decent plan crumble so would the Vale still get the worst of that event as well?

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Jon had a pretty decent plan crumble so would the Vale still get the worst of that event as well?
They had superior number of mounted troops, they probably would have broken Ramsay's line with the initial attack.

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I wonder if we'll see House Glover and the other Northern Houses that turned Jon and Sansa away come with their hats in their hands in the next episode.

Robtard Senor Member

They probably don't have much to fear, it's not like Sansa (the only known living Stark with a claim) is in a position to turn their fealty away. The Wildling army was severely reduced and I doubt the Vale knights will stay long.

Seems Balish wants to be head of house Stark** and Warden of the North. Politically/power-wise, it would be a step-up from being Robert's guardian, even if he does have all the power of the Vale at his fingertips for the time being.

**I also suspect the wants to touch himself in everyone room of the keep while thinking of Cat.

Edit: Wondering if Jon/Sansa will gift the Bolton lands and keep to the Wildings.

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Bran is next in line as Lord of Winterfel.

Robtard Senor Member

Yeah, I noted that in the parenthesis, but no one really knows he's still alive so Sansa has the claim for the time being and whomever she marries would become head of house Stark.

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I wonder what Littlefingers plan would be if Sansa blows him off.
Kill the Starks? Betray them?

Rebel95 Senior Member

My predictions for tomorrows episode:
-Cersei sets off wildfire in King's Landing
-Tommen dies
-Arya assassinates Walder Frey
-Dany sets sail for Westeros
-R+L=J is revealed in Tower of Joy flashback
-White walkers arrive at/break through the wall

jaden101 Restricted

Varys tries to assassinate someone, maybe Cersei, but kills Tommen, Cersei goes mad and burns the city.

Arya meets the Hound

Bran and Benjen get back to the wall...Meera dies

Littlefinger removes another piece from the board, probably Robin Arryn after marrying him to Lyanna Mormont 😂 😂 😂

marwash22 HELL YEAH.

Originally posted by jaden101
Littlefinger removes another piece from the board, probably Robin Arryn after marrying him to Lyanna Mormont 😂 😂 😂
though that would be hilarious and i'd pay to see it, based on the little we've been shown of her, i doubt Lyanna would be manipulated by Littlefinger.

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Originally posted by Rebel95
My predictions for tomorrows episode:
-Cersei sets off wildfire in King's Landing
-Tommen dies
-Arya assassinates Walder Frey
-Dany sets sail for Westeros
-R+L=J is revealed in Tower of Joy flashback
-White walkers arrive at/break through the wall

Those are not your predictions. Those are from the supposed leak.

Firefly218 Restricted

I'd really rather all the storylines in game of thrones reach some kind of closure so they can all converge to focus on the whitewalkers at the same time. I don't want the whitewalkers to break down the wall prematurely while Cersai is still worrying about the high sparrow or Dany is still sailing to kings landing.

Rebel95 Senior Member

Originally posted by Inhuman
Those are not your predictions. Those are from the supposed leak.

Yeah, they are. I didn't even know that, do you have a link?

jaden101 Restricted
Originally posted by Firefly218
I'd really rather all the storylines in game of thrones reach some kind of closure so they can all converge to focus on the whitewalkers at the same time. I don't want the whitewalkers to break down the wall prematurely while Cersai is still worrying about the high sparrow or Dany is still sailing to kings landing.

But at the same time it'd be good to see the white walkers trample half of westeros before any of the southern houses even believe they are real.

Also think something will happen with Sam's story in the finale.