Originally posted by cdtm
Up to season 4.I'd call Tywin Lannister "Darth", but that would be giving Sith Lords way too much credit. He's the kind of schemer/manipulator Palpatine dreams of being, and he's the real deal ice in his vein's hardass, not a poser like Emo Anakin.
I actually like Tywin better than Palpatine, but Palpatine is a vastly superior manipulator and strategist than anyone in Westeros.
Which reminds me, Neme, I need to respond to your post!
Originally posted by cdtm
Up to season 4.I'd call Tywin Lannister "Darth", but that would be giving Sith Lords way too much credit. He's the kind of schemer/manipulator Palpatine dreams of being, and he's the real deal ice in his vein's hardass, not a poser like Emo Anakin.
Palpatine fooled much of the galaxy with his designs. He took advantage of signs of disillusionment in the ranks of Jedi due to the Force bending towards the Dark Side (notably luring Count Dooku to his cause), engineered a separatist movement and motivated scores of corporations into funding - a conflict that took shape of Clone Wars (a galaxy-spanning conflict), ousted his political rival from power in the elections with the promises to address all major issues plaguing the Republic and motivated the senators to grant him emergency powers to enact his plans with greater authority. He motivated the Jedi to partake in the Clone Wars and put under their command an army that was actually pre-programmed to turn against the Jedi with a special code (a code that Palpatine knew).
What I have described above is only a part of the story. So you do the math.
lol, I could believe that easily.
The Many Faced God thing is starting to become something I wish would burn to the ground. It's suck a crock of shit.
So you become nobody and have no desires. Yet you take payment from anyone to murder?
So you do have a personal desire. To serve this stupid system.
And recruiting people, isn't that a personal ambition? Bringing someone into the fold, breaking them down, and building them into the perfect foot soldier?
Originally posted by cdtmPretty sure it's the you have no personal earthly desires: money, power, etc.
lol, I could believe that easily.The Many Faced God thing is starting to become something I wish would burn to the ground. It's suck a crock of shit.
So you become nobody and have no desires. Yet you take payment from anyone to murder?
So you do have a personal desire. To serve this stupid system.
And recruiting people, isn't that a personal ambition? Bringing someone into the fold, breaking them down, and building them into the perfect foot soldier?
They have the desire to serve the many faced god, obviously.
How do people pay the price for an assasnation? Not money?
And Earthly desires is why "this girl" wanted to train in the first place. Why would she even "want" to give up everything?
He probably saw that, and figured he could beat it out of her and gain another tool in his mission. (Obviously, she's fooling both him and her well enough to subvert the "lie detector test" from their powers, but no way she's giving up her revenge..) They're both using each other (Opinion as of episode 5 season 6)
Originally posted by cdtmThat's why she didn't make it as a faceless man. She's definitely not "no one".
How do people pay the price for an assasnation? Not money?And Earthly desires is why "this girl" wanted to train in the first place. Why would she even "want" to give up everything?
Plus, I figure serving the many faced god requires weapons, poisons, planning and whatnot. It's probably why they take payment proportional to the task. It's used as funding, and killing a king will be harder to pull off than killing a merchant.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
That's why she didn't make it as a faceless man. She's definitely not "no one".Plus, I figure serving the many faced god requires weapons, poisons, planning and whatnot. It's probably why they take payment proportional to the task. It's used as funding, and killing a king will be harder to pull off than killing a merchant.
"Jaqen H'ghar"
If he was as fanatically devout as he pretends, shouldn't he have killed himself?
It's easy to be nonchalant about killing good or evil men when it's not your head on the chopping block.
Originally posted by cdtmThe money they get isn't for their personal use, it's used for the god.
How do people pay the price for an assasnation? Not money?And Earthly desires is why "this girl" wanted to train in the first place. Why would she even "want" to give up everything?
He probably saw that, and figured he could beat it out of her and gain another tool in his mission. (Obviously, she's fooling both him and her well enough to subvert the "lie detector test" from their powers, but no way she's giving up her revenge..) They're both using each other (Opinion as of episode 5 season 6)
Originally posted by cdtmHe's still human, seemed like he'd kill himself if no other were named though.
"Jaqen H'ghar"If he was as fanatically devout as he pretends, shouldn't he have killed himself?
It's easy to be nonchalant about killing good or evil men when it's not your head on the chopping block.
Originally posted by cdtmIt seemed like he was going to do it to me. It's why he told her it isn't a joke. He figured it was a child playing with something she didn't understand. You cant blame someone for being apprehensive about committing suicide. Especially when any life can fit the role and the fact that one can argue that it would be a disservice to the many faced god since it would deprive him of any future offerings.
"Jaqen H'ghar"If he was as fanatically devout as he pretends, shouldn't he have killed himself?
It's easy to be nonchalant about killing good or evil men when it's not your head on the chopping block.
They're devoted. It's pretty easy to see when you look at how frugally they live and the fact that that they dedicate their lives to nothing but the next contract. They leave behind their lives, pasts, and identities in favor of service. Painting them as selfish is seriously reaching.
"Finally a girl is no one."
"A girl is Arya Stark, and I'm going home."
I guess blind fighting isn't standard training for faceless one's. 🙂
Did he almost smile when she proclaimed her name? I don't get Jaquen.. Does he figure the many faced god must not want her dead, or she'd be dead, and decided to drop the matter?
And was he prepared to die himself at her hands? He just stood there, completely open, like he was inviting her to thrust.
Originally posted by cdtmThe show made her more hateful for the sake of having someone to hate and to make Arya sympathetic. In the book both she and Arya learn a lot from eachother. She actually had a prett big part of Arya's teachnings.
"Can i kill her? You promised me!"She called herself "me", and adamantly sounded like a kid that was promised a new toy.
INDIVIDUALISM AND PERSONAL DESIRE.
Plus, you can't blame her for hating Arya. Arya was clearly just trying to use their teachings for her own plots. She wasn't devout or dedicated like other Faceless Men, and shouldn't have been allowed to make it.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
The show made her more hateful for the sake of having someone to hate and to make Arya sympathetic. In the book both she and Arya learn a lot from eachother. She actually had a prett big part of Arya's teachnings.Plus, you can't blame her for hating Arya. Arya was clearly just trying to use their teachings for her own plots. She wasn't devout or dedicated like other Faceless Men, and shouldn't have been allowed to make it.
Didn't Jaquen know that, though?
It's the smile.. Kind of proves he knew what was up, and achieved his agenda of leveling Arya up so she can stand on her own (Which is a pretty strange agenda for "no one" to shoot for, but that's how it looks. In his way, he actually cared about Arya.)
Originally posted by cdtmHe's the one who sent the Waife after her so he can't care that much. A smile that she survived doesn't mean anything. Maybe he was just impressed she actually took to the teachings.
Didn't Jaquen know that, though?It's the smile.. Kind of proves he knew what was up, and achieved his agenda of leveling Arya up so she can stand on her own (Which is a pretty strange agenda for "no one" to shoot for, but that's how it looks. In his way, he actually cared about Arya.)
Plus, they're still people. Being devout doesn't mean they don't feel emotion. Considering their lifestyles, I'm honestly not sure how you could possibly justify the idea that their intentions aren't in service to their god. Because of a smile? Because of a general hate for some girl who has no respect for their purpose?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
He's the one who sent the Waife after her so he can't care that much. A smile that she survived doesn't mean anything. Maybe he was just impressed she actually took to the teachings.Plus, they're still people. Being devout doesn't mean they don't feel emotion. Considering their lifestyles, I'm honestly not sure how you could possibly justify the idea that their intentions aren't in service to their god. Because of a smile? Because of a general hate for some girl who has no respect for their purpose?
Because service is desire.
The Hound is more nobody then they.