Originally posted by Arachnid1
1. No, he does not have a good grasp of how things work anywhere but the Wall. The only time he's ever had a leadership/politics role was as Lord Commander, and he was murdered by his own men after a short stretch of charge.
Jon Snow have intricate knowledge of NORTHERN traditions and politics; he grew-up in that part of the world. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that he does not have a good grasp of how things work anywhere but the Wall.
Those men weren't acting like Jon's men in the first place; they resented Jon for his talents, ascension to the position of Lord Commander and having soft corner for Wild-lings. Those men failed to understand the bigger picture that Wild-lings are also people and they were seeking refuge from the Night King in order to escape slaughter. Jon's leadership abilities and actions prevented deaths of scores of Wild-lings (and men of Night's Watch), facilitated their redemption and they are his (allies) now. This is a notable accomplishment.
Do you remember the tragedy of Hardhome? A lot of good people died there (including women and children). And who benefited from that slaughter? Night King only.
Jon's greatest concern is that the dead are growing in numbers and war-waging capability over time. If this trend continues, Night King would be virtually unstoppable in the battlefield; he is too powerful for the entirety of the NORTH already.
Jon's argument is that Night King should not be granted opportunities to increase the size of his army but infighting among humans is providing him such opportunities. Humans are reducing their numbers and not preparing for the REAL THREAT to their existence; the dead don't care about politics and families - they will slaughter the living without question. And it just not ends here; whomsoever comes into contact with them, turns into one of them via infection.
Jon completely understands the big picture and keeps reminding his people of the greatest threat to their existence and the importance of unity under present circumstances. This is not to say that Jon doesn't recognize other forms of threats to himself (and the NORTH in general) but his options are terribly limited at present.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Bold steps doesn't mean stupid risks like traveling south with 7 men through the Twins/Riverlands which is Lannister territory to put yourself at the mercy of a Targ with an army of barbarians and a penchant for burning people. You realize the only reason he left was because Tyrion was smart enough to leave out the "bend the knee" part she specifically instructed him to send?
Jon is an excellent warrior and familiar with that territory; and he is not travelling alone. They might conceal their faces through the journey.
Jon decided to meet Dany in person due to Tyrion Lannister; he understands that Tyrion will intervene should the meeting go SOUTH for him. It is not like he is proceeding to encounter a bunch of complete strangers there. He is taking a calculated risk in this matter.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
The last time Jon took a bold risk was the Battle of the Bastards. That risk would have gotten him killed and resulted in the extinction of any house that allied with him, but that was averted thanks to Sansa pulling her own resources resulting in the Starks return to Winterfell and directly to the rise of a new northern King. Sansa is the reason Jons even gotten this far.
Right.
You seem to forget that Sansa lied to him about not having any ideas for this battle and that they can count on the support of Knights of the Vale.
The premise behind my critic is that Sansa should try to [work with] Jon instead of bitching and moaning about every important decision he makes. So far, her behavior shows that she cannot be trusted.
If I were King of the NORTH in his place, I would be extremely pissed and let her know in clear terms that her bitching needs to stop or she will be disciplined.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
2. As opposed to riding south to get himself pointlessly killed? He could have sent Sansa as an emissary with his words and Tyrion would have vouched for them both. She's his sister so she'd for damn sure make an acceptable stand in. As it stands, hes a King riding through a ton of hostile land with nothing but a few hands to back him up. There's a difference between brave and stupid. The last time the Starks did the exact thing he's doing now they took heavy loses, but of course lets just ignore that all because he's being brave. It's bold, but there is nothing calculated about this risk.
Sansa has a temper and cannot be trusted with diplomatic efforts at this point.
Besides this, do you think Sansa was willing to go there? No: she wanted to send an emissary and risked angering Dany. Chances are that she will be in a bad mood already due to loss of some allies in a battle. However, even with this setback, Dany is far stronger than the House Stark - even with Knights of Vale, they do not stand a chance against her.
You are wrong in assuming that every decision of Sansa is perfect or will work.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
3. Dany is not trying to find alliances. She's trying to find subjects to solidify her footing as queen. Cersei isn't her sole target. She wants the full kingdom, and Jon now spatially has a third of it. How do you imagine she'll react when Jon refuses to bend the knee?
Tyrion is there.
I am not sure about 'bending the knee' part but Jon is going there with the intent to forge a working relationship; he is likely to offer her concessions and make her realize the importance of stopping the Night King. Dany is not only a powerful threat but she is sitting on top of natural reserves that the NORTH needs to forge weapons that can stop the dead.
Jon is fully aware of the fact that he cannot afford to antagonize Dany and the fate of the NORTH hangs in balance in how he approaches Dany.
Strategically, Jon is at disadvantage in this matter.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
4. Except Sansa vouched for Tyrion. Despite that, Tyrion conveniently left out the entire part about having to renounce kingship to trick Jon into coming. So much for his credibility.
Some matters are to be discussed and settled in a face-to-face meeting. Not wise to mention everything in a letter.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Agreed on it being problematic. Disagreed on her not knowing what she's talking about. She knows the south better than every lord there except for Littlefinger. She's the only window Jon has into the political workings of the south, and she knows what she's talking about.
As pointed out earlier, she should try to [work with] Jon instead of misbehaving with him in every meeting. She risks disrupting the internal harmony of the NORTH with her behavior.
She claims that she does not trust Little Finger but it is becoming apparent to neutral observers that she is susceptible to his charms and/or mechanisms. She needs to get her act together and behave like an adult.