Game of Thrones

Started by Robtard142 pages
Originally posted by KingD19
Even back then, most Eunuch's could still get it up. It just took a bit more effort as they only got their balls cut off, not the entire cock(most of the time)

The Unsullied have both their balls and penis removed in the act of turning a boy into an Unsullied soldier, besides the relentless martial and blind obedience training. Dude literally only has a stump to piss out of, which he needs to sit down to do.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
1. No, he does not have a good grasp of how things work anywhere but the Wall. The only time he's ever had a leadership/politics role was as Lord Commander, and he was murdered by his own men after a short stretch of charge.

Jon Snow have intricate knowledge of NORTHERN traditions and politics; he grew-up in that part of the world. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that he does not have a good grasp of how things work anywhere but the Wall.

Those men weren't acting like Jon's men in the first place; they resented Jon for his talents, ascension to the position of Lord Commander and having soft corner for Wild-lings. Those men failed to understand the bigger picture that Wild-lings are also people and they were seeking refuge from the Night King in order to escape slaughter. Jon's leadership abilities and actions prevented deaths of scores of Wild-lings (and men of Night's Watch), facilitated their redemption and they are his (allies) now. This is a notable accomplishment.

Do you remember the tragedy of Hardhome? A lot of good people died there (including women and children). And who benefited from that slaughter? Night King only.

Jon's greatest concern is that the dead are growing in numbers and war-waging capability over time. If this trend continues, Night King would be virtually unstoppable in the battlefield; he is too powerful for the entirety of the NORTH already.

Jon's argument is that Night King should not be granted opportunities to increase the size of his army but infighting among humans is providing him such opportunities. Humans are reducing their numbers and not preparing for the REAL THREAT to their existence; the dead don't care about politics and families - they will slaughter the living without question. And it just not ends here; whomsoever comes into contact with them, turns into one of them via infection.

Jon completely understands the big picture and keeps reminding his people of the greatest threat to their existence and the importance of unity under present circumstances. This is not to say that Jon doesn't recognize other forms of threats to himself (and the NORTH in general) but his options are terribly limited at present.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Bold steps doesn't mean stupid risks like traveling south with 7 men through the Twins/Riverlands which is Lannister territory to put yourself at the mercy of a Targ with an army of barbarians and a penchant for burning people. You realize the only reason he left was because Tyrion was smart enough to leave out the "bend the knee" part she specifically instructed him to send?

Jon is an excellent warrior and familiar with that territory; and he is not travelling alone. They might conceal their faces through the journey.

Jon decided to meet Dany in person due to Tyrion Lannister; he understands that Tyrion will intervene should the meeting go SOUTH for him. It is not like he is proceeding to encounter a bunch of complete strangers there. He is taking a calculated risk in this matter.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
The last time Jon took a bold risk was the Battle of the Bastards. That risk would have gotten him killed and resulted in the extinction of any house that allied with him, but that was averted thanks to Sansa pulling her own resources resulting in the Starks return to Winterfell and directly to the rise of a new northern King. Sansa is the reason Jons even gotten this far.

Right.

You seem to forget that Sansa lied to him about not having any ideas for this battle and that they can count on the support of Knights of the Vale.

The premise behind my critic is that Sansa should try to [work with] Jon instead of bitching and moaning about every important decision he makes. So far, her behavior shows that she cannot be trusted.

If I were King of the NORTH in his place, I would be extremely pissed and let her know in clear terms that her bitching needs to stop or she will be disciplined.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
2. As opposed to riding south to get himself pointlessly killed? He could have sent Sansa as an emissary with his words and Tyrion would have vouched for them both. She's his sister so she'd for damn sure make an acceptable stand in. As it stands, hes a King riding through a ton of hostile land with nothing but a few hands to back him up. There's a difference between brave and stupid. The last time the Starks did the exact thing he's doing now they took heavy loses, but of course lets just ignore that all because he's being brave. It's bold, but there is nothing calculated about this risk.

Sansa has a temper and cannot be trusted with diplomatic efforts at this point.

Besides this, do you think Sansa was willing to go there? No: she wanted to send an emissary and risked angering Dany. Chances are that she will be in a bad mood already due to loss of some allies in a battle. However, even with this setback, Dany is far stronger than the House Stark - even with Knights of Vale, they do not stand a chance against her.

You are wrong in assuming that every decision of Sansa is perfect or will work.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
3. Dany is not trying to find alliances. She's trying to find subjects to solidify her footing as queen. Cersei isn't her sole target. She wants the full kingdom, and Jon now spatially has a third of it. How do you imagine she'll react when Jon refuses to bend the knee?

Tyrion is there.

I am not sure about 'bending the knee' part but Jon is going there with the intent to forge a working relationship; he is likely to offer her concessions and make her realize the importance of stopping the Night King. Dany is not only a powerful threat but she is sitting on top of natural reserves that the NORTH needs to forge weapons that can stop the dead.

Jon is fully aware of the fact that he cannot afford to antagonize Dany and the fate of the NORTH hangs in balance in how he approaches Dany.

Strategically, Jon is at disadvantage in this matter.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
4. Except Sansa vouched for Tyrion. Despite that, Tyrion conveniently left out the entire part about having to renounce kingship to trick Jon into coming. So much for his credibility.

Some matters are to be discussed and settled in a face-to-face meeting. Not wise to mention everything in a letter.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Agreed on it being problematic. Disagreed on her not knowing what she's talking about. She knows the south better than every lord there except for Littlefinger. She's the only window Jon has into the political workings of the south, and she knows what she's talking about.

As pointed out earlier, she should try to [work with] Jon instead of misbehaving with him in every meeting. She risks disrupting the internal harmony of the NORTH with her behavior.

She claims that she does not trust Little Finger but it is becoming apparent to neutral observers that she is susceptible to his charms and/or mechanisms. She needs to get her act together and behave like an adult.

Originally posted by Digi
Oh, no doubt it's a possibility. But being in that position is excrutiating and great. He's in a no-win situation. Euron comes back victorious and she has to marry or lose an ally, or he dies and both Jamie and Cersei are f---ed. And despite a few barbaric acts, Jamie's got more of a moral compass than many in the show, so the internal struggle with all of this is just as great. The few horrific acts mean he's not "good" in a traditional sense, but those moments serve to give him true depth and a capacity for both great good and evil. Magnificent character, imo. Tywin was my favorite character, but imo Jamie is the best from a narrative standpoint.

For sure, I really like Jamie's character, even though he'll forever be a piece of shit to me. The "evil" he's done has generally been on behalf of Cersei or his family name, now that his family is all but dead in the name of greed and advancement and he's seeing Cersei to be more and more of a monster, his internal conflicts are really making him interesting. Could argue that if he was born to a different house, he would have been a most moral and just man, like Eddard Stark. While Cersei, I can never see her being something other than a c--t regardless of her birth.

One of the reasons I see him killing Cersei, as a means to amend the wrongs he's committed on behalf of his family name, by ending the bloodline and once again showing he's the kingslayer, err, queenslayer

Originally posted by Robtard
The Unsullied have both their balls and penis removed in the act of turning a boy into an Unsullied soldier, besides the relentless martial and blind obedience training. Dude literally only has a stump to piss out of, which he needs to sit down to do.
I don't think the show confirmed that, kinda like the book never confirmed theon the cockless

Trying to recall, think they just said "cut", but I'd have to go back to S3 when Dany trades for the Unsullied.

I'd still err on the side of the book until we explicitly hear otherwise.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Unsullied have both their balls and penis removed in the act of turning a boy into an Unsullied soldier, besides the relentless martial and blind obedience training. Dude literally only has a stump to piss out of, which he needs to sit down to do.

God thats awful. If you remove a mans balls without hormone treatment, they lose all their testosterone and can become depressed, suicidal, and not be able to build muscle. How on earth do they have strength or mental toughness?

Originally posted by Sable
God thats awful. If you remove a mans balls without hormone treatment, they lose all their testosterone and can become depressed, suicidal, and not be able to build muscle. How on earth do they have strength or mental toughness?

Answer: Through severe mental/physical conditioning and to a lesser degree a narcotic, which dulls their sense of pain.

In the book the Unsullied are all said to be 'soft' and lacking muscular definition due to their castration as a child, some even become "fat". But they're beaten, drilled and conditioned to such extremes that they're the most fierce unit-based foot soldiers in the realms; less than half of the boys survive the process to become Unsullied, so only the mentally/physically toughest get to end. They obey all orders without question, have no fear and they never break formation or flee from battle.

Edit: Which makes me believe that the Grey Worm and Messandei sex scene was a foreshadowing of Grey Worm's death. He now has something to fear losing, he's not going to be the emotionless killing machine on the field of battle. She's making him soft.

Originally posted by Robtard
Answer: Through severe mental/physical conditioning and to a lesser degree a narcotic, which dulls their sense of pain.

In the book the Unsullied are all said to be 'soft' and lacking muscular definition due to their castration as a child, some even become "fat". But they're beaten, drilled and conditioned to such extremes that they're the most fierce unit-based foot soldiers in the realms; less than half of the boys survive the process to become Unsullied, so only the mentally/physically toughest get to end. They obey all orders without question, have no fear and they never break formation or flee from battle.

This is just beyond brutal..

The more I think about it, the more I realize that it wouldn't make sense for Sansa to behave any differently than she does.

For most of the show she's been a pushover at the mercy of others. Having no power of her own, she's been subjected to shitty circumstances over and over again. That feeling of helplessness and powerlessness is pretty fuking strong.

So after what all happened with Ramsey, I bet she doesn't ever want to feel those feelings of helplessness and powerlessness again. So when the king of the north makes a decision, even if it is her trusted brother, she's gonna make dam sure her voice is heard.

Understanding all that I think it's pretty clear she won't turn against Jon Snow, if anything I bet she'll somehow strategically fuk over littlefinger.

Which she should. Fck little finger

Originally posted by Firefly218
The more I think about it, the more I realize that it wouldn't make sense for Sansa to behave any differently than she does.

For most of the show she's been a pushover at the mercy of others. Having no power of her own, she's been subjected to shitty circumstances over and over again. That feeling of helplessness and powerlessness is pretty fuking strong.

So after what all happened with Ramsey, I bet she doesn't ever want to feel those feelings of helplessness and powerlessness again. So when the king of the north makes a decision, even if it is her trusted brother, she's gonna make dam sure her voice is heard.

Understanding all that I think it's pretty clear she won't turn against Jon Snow, if anything I bet she'll somehow strategically fuk over littlefinger.

She's definitely evolved and grown as a character since her days of being a spoiled Lord's daughter, mostly in good ways too.

But in the end, her selfishness and stupidity is what got her father (one of the few decent people) killed and started this whole mess of battles and betrayals and butchery. So eff her right in the a-hole, man. In the end, it's ALL Sansa's fault. Yes, even the Whitewalkers, somehow it is.

I'd have to agree. I feel sympathy for the abuse Sansa has suffered at the hands of her two evil husbands, but a lot of that was put in motion by her chasing the Princess life and selling out Arya and her friend Mycah for Joffrey back in Season 1 and it's just snowballed on her ever since. She sold out her own family and wound up paying the consequences of chasing those greener pastures.

Two things I've noticed so far this season:

1. Dany's personality has changed dramatically. She no longer seems like the compassionate ruler she once was. She seems a lot more ruthless, for example, just the way she talks to people this last episode, especially her interaction with Varys. I feel like she's become less and less likeable as each season goes by.

2. The episodes seem very rushed. I can really tell they're trying to cram a lot of the story that's left into these last two, short seasons. It's very noticeable and really effects the quality of the show, in my opinion.

TBH, I do not understand the reason to reduce number of episodes in Seasons 7 and 8. Developers should have continued with the traditional 10 episodes formula for each season so that they won't have to rush the story. Bad decision.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
TBH, I do not understand the reason to reduce number of episodes in Seasons 7 and 8. Developers should have continued with the traditional 10 episodes formula for each season so that they won't have to rush the story. Bad decision.

This was done probably because they wanted to do some "Epic" Events in the Final Season but HBO wouldn't give then anymore money so the took the same amount but are going to use to on more by doing less.

Because that is how TV works.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Two things I've noticed so far this season:

1. Dany's personality has changed dramatically. She no longer seems like the compassionate ruler she once was. She seems a lot more ruthless, for example, just the way she talks to people this last episode, especially her interaction with Varys. I feel like she's become less and less likeable as each season goes by.

2. The episodes seem very rushed. I can really tell they're trying to cram a lot of the story that's left into these last two, short seasons. It's very noticeable and really effects the quality of the show, in my opinion.


I am getting second thoughts about Dany's chances to sit on the throne now. She has lot of firepower at her disposal but she also have a big shortcoming; she is not a tactician herself and she doesn't understands her enemies well enough. This isn't to say that she won't win battles (she will) but she might commit a strategic blunder that will cost her the throne and her life.

Bran not giving a fuq about anything face 👆

This was my favorite episode of the season so far. Huge win for the GOATs of House Lannister 👆

I wonder is bran actually was the old 3 eyed raven

excellent ep tonight