Game of Thrones

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Yeah best episode of the season so far, and hopefully it'll just keep getting better

Originally posted by Rebel95
Yeah best episode of the season so far, and hopefully it'll just keep getting better

Depends upon what you consider as "better."

I no longer expect much from this show. It is becoming too predictable.

Predictable, yeah, but still good. The entire show has been leading up to two major events: the battle for the Iron Throne between Daenaerys and Cersei, and the final war between the living and the dead. So yeah, it's become predictable because we know both those things are going to happen, but we don't know exactly how they are going to play out and I'm sure there are still a few surprises left in store for us. The only thing that I didn't like so far this season is that the first two episodes were very rushed, but this last episode was better. I think the first seasons were better just because they went into much more detail, but these last seasons it's like they're trying to fit in way too much into just a couple seasons.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Predictable, yeah, but still good. The entire show has been leading up to two major events: the battle for the Iron Throne between Daenaerys and Cersei, and the final war between the living and the dead. So yeah, it's become predictable because we know both those things are going to happen, but we don't know exactly how they are going to play out and I'm sure there are still a few surprises left in store for us. The only thing that I didn't like so far this season is that the first two episodes were very rushed, but this last episode was better. I think the first seasons were better just because they went into much more detail, but these last seasons it's like they're trying to fit in way too much into just a couple seasons.

Seasons 1 - 5 were quality storytelling - scores of decent subplots enriched the holistic storytelling experience. Season 6 went downhill in storytelling aspect but it carried itself with memorable works like Battle of the Bastards and Dany and outwitting the forces of resistance in Meereen.

However, SEASON 7 has not only [bad writing] written all over it but it also seems that producers have run out of budget. Slashing the number of episodes was a bad idea (HBO should not have pulled the plug from a show of this caliber, if it is responsible - bad decision).

1. Euron has a huge fleet? How?

Euron [should be] a threat but not to the extent that he literally wiped out much of the Dany's fleet in a span of 2 episodes. He should have lost some ships in the first battle and be reluctant to act for a while. However, he demolished Yara's fleet without breaking a sweat, had time to boast about his success in the King's Landing and then suddenly came to Casterly Rock and wiped out the fleet of Unsullied as well. This is looking artificial now - comically bad in short.

2. Casterly Rock should have been adequately defended - Unsullied victory should have been hard fought (and earned) so that Grey Worm would have a sense of accomplishment of his own as a commander and further character-building experience. This battle should also have spanned at least 30 minutes in duration. However, what we get to see is that Casterly Rock was not adequately defended and Tyrion had informed Grey Worm how to sneak inside. Then Euron came out of nowhere and burned his entire fleet. WTF is this? Taking over Casterly Rock felt like a lost cause and Unsullied victory looked cheap.

3. Arya single-handedly slaughtering the entire House Frey - WTF is this? Assassination of the elder Frey and his sons should have been enough to put this house into disarray and an easy picking at a later stage. Arya has certainly learned a lot in her journey but she is not a Marvel Character - producers have went overboard with her skills now.

4. Defeat of Olenna Tyrell felt rushed and lacked much depth. This should have been a hard fought battle but a notable victory for the Lannisters. And this battle should also have spanned 30 minutes in total. However, much of it was skimmed.

5. Jon Snow can only think about the Night's King. Dany completely failed to intimidate him (even with a demonstration of Dragons; anybody who have seen them for the first time would be shitting his pants) and acted TOUGH as if he is in the position to extract benefits from her and does not risks loosing his head. Jon didn't had to bend the knee so soon but he wasn't in the position to act TOUGH either. The whole Jon and Dany arc seems to be a huge fan-servicing experience to me and this is too predictable.

Don't get me wrong. I am not asserting that [an entirely] unpredictable plot is the key to good storytelling - it is not. However, story progression should have element of depth in it, developments should be fulfilling experiences and even predictable story elements can have a degree of unpredictability in them.

Season 7 is complete horseshit the more I come to analyze it critically.

Great episode. The meeting between Daenerys and Jon was excellent. I loved how well it contrasted the two rulers

Dany is really becoming intolerable, she's turning into a pile of shit with her "I was born to rule you all!" self-entitled outlook and her writing varies from meh to outright god awful, also doesn't help that Clarke is a meh actress. Davos and Tyrion saved that scene with their quips imo.

Maybe it's because I'm not a fan of the character anymore, but I thought that was kinda the point.

I've no real problem with turning her into a tyrant; that can work as the whole 'mad king's daughter' has been hinted at since season 2 or so. Just do it right, write her better and give the actress lines where she doesn't come off as whiny and stupid.

She is whiny though. At least that's the impression I've got. She is a child playing at Queen.

Did Bran take a severe bump on the head between leaving the wall and getting to Winterfell? What was with the robotic behaviour?

Originally posted by jaden101
Did Bran take a severe bump on the head between leaving the wall and getting to Winterfell? What was with the robotic behaviour?
I think without the three eyed raven to keep him under wraps hes been visiting the past and future more and more. The old man warned him of how dangerous it is.

Maybe Bran is still bummed about the Hordor thing. Still it weird that he was able to beat the Night King to the wall given the season opener.

So this is how the show is going to level the field for Cersei? Interesting but it feels like a waste of hype from last season to give Dany this bad of a start.

Edit: Looking at social media and Youtube comments I find it creepy how fans want Jon to have a romantic relationship with his presumed aunt.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka

Edit: Looking at social media and Youtube comments I find it creepy how fans want Jon to have a romantic relationship with his presumed aunt.

You are right, they should at least try to include Missandei into the intimate scenes with Dany and Jon to make it less weird.

Also. The best sand snake is dead. Was hoping for Bron to destroy that in a extended scene.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Maybe Bran is still bummed about the Hordor thing. Still it weird that he was able to beat the Night King to the wall given the season opener.

So this is how the show is going to level the field for Cersei? Interesting but it feels like a waste of hype from last season to give Dany this bad of a start.

Edit: Looking at social media and Youtube comments I find it creepy how fans want Jon to have a romantic relationship with his presumed aunt.

We just saw cersei blow Jamie in a scene. And that's creepy?

When the **** did Jon Snow become so one-dimensional? Seasons 6 and 7 he's been firmly in the "brave warrior with strong morals but dim wits" box. I mean his dialogue in the Dany confrontation was downright ridiculous, how can someone who's managed to become a lord commander and king be so socially and politically inept.

The guy is unable to relate his experiences in any way that doesn't sound childish and cringe-worthy.

Also the Sansa Bran reunion was pretty sh!t.

And Euron's victories seem unearned af how is this guy that powerful...

Mediocre episode

Dodged a bullet with the resurrection reveal.

Considering Dany's experiences with it, she'd likely have Jon Snow become dragon food on the spot for baby killing..

Originally posted by Firefly218
When the **** did Jon Snow become so one-dimensional? Seasons 6 and 7 he's been firmly in the "brave warrior with strong morals but dim wits" box. I mean his dialogue in the Dany confrontation was downright ridiculous, how can someone who's managed to become a lord commander and king be so socially and politically inept.
The guy is unable to relate his experiences in any way that doesn't sound childish and cringe-worthy.

Also the Sansa Bran reunion was pretty sh!t.

And Euron's victories seem unearned af how is this guy that powerful...

Mediocre episode

John has almost spelt out why hes like this in the last two seasons dude. He straight up told sansa hes tired of all the bullshit. Hes been done since he took a knife in the heart for doing the right thing. Its why hes brooding like crazy. Hes doing it because its right but he obviously just wants to tell the world to **** off and go his own way. Its why he doesn't even give a shit when dany purposely slights him by calling him my lord instead of king. Its not so much dim. He has no patience any more for peoples shit

The way Bran was talking to Sansa by the Weirwood tree you get the impression he probably warged into Ramsey on their wedding night.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
We just saw cersei blow Jamie in a scene. And that's creepy?

Yes because Fans actively want Jon and Dany to happen in spite of the reveal. I'm not sure anyone is asking for mode sibling shack ups anyway.

Originally posted by ares834
She is whiny though. At least that's the impression I've got. She is a child playing at Queen.

Stupid, too.

She's the kind idiot doctor from Jaques the Fatalist. Well meaning, yet completely incompetent.. Tyrion and company back her because she's the far better alfernative to the rest, as she's at least willing to listen and delegate, and she's not intrinsically blood thirsty.

Sort of like how real rulers do it, being the figureheads and visionaries while relying extenively on the experts they surround themselved with to actually make shite happen.