Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Her reasoning is far from perfect.1. Jon Snow isn't a kid and have a good grasp of various realities. Now that he is a King himself, he will have to take some bold steps and calculated risks to ensure survival of his followers. A spineless King is of no good to his people.
2. The North is (not) prepared for the horrors that the dreaded Night King will unleash upon them, should he get through that WALL or find a way across it. Jon Snow does not have much time to waste on emissaries for negotiations with Dany.
3. Dany wants to topple The Lannisters and is looking forward to forge new alliances in the Westeros; Tyrion Lannister is supporting her. These realities are not apparent to all yet?
4. Even if Dany could be suspected of being untrustworthy, Tyrion have credibility. Sansa have memory problems?
1. No, he does not have a good grasp of how things work anywhere but the Wall. The only time he's ever had a leadership/politics role was as Lord Commander, and he was murdered by his own men after a short stretch of charge. Bold steps doesn't mean stupid risks like traveling south with 7 men through the Twins/Riverlands which is Lannister territory to put yourself at the mercy of a Targ with an army of barbarians and a penchant for burning people. You realize the only reason he left was because Tyrion was smart enough to leave out the "bend the knee" part she specifically instructed him to send?
The last time Jon took a bold risk was the Battle of the Bastards. That risk would have gotten him killed and resulted in the extinction of any house that allied with him, but that was averted thanks to Sansa pulling her own resources resulting in the Starks return to Winterfell and directly to the rise of a new northern King. Sansa is the reason Jons even gotten this far.
2. As opposed to riding south to get himself pointlessly killed? He could have sent Sansa as an emissary with his words and Tyrion would have vouched for them both. She's his sister so she'd for damn sure make an acceptable stand in. As it stands, hes a King riding through a ton of hostile land with nothing but a few hands to back him up. There's a difference between brave and stupid. The last time the Starks did the exact thing he's doing now they took heavy loses, but of course lets just ignore that all because he's being brave. It's bold, but there is nothing calculated about this risk.
3. Dany is not trying to find alliances. She's trying to find subjects to solidify her footing as queen. Cersei isn't her sole target. She wants the full kingdom, and Jon now spatially has a third of it. How do you imagine she'll react when Jon refuses to bend the knee?
4. Except Sansa vouched for Tyrion. Despite that, Tyrion conveniently left out the entire part about having to renounce kingship to trick Jon into coming. So much for his credibility.
That is the problem.She is being bitchy and overconfident; she thinks she have figured it all out on the basis of her past experiences.
She risks destabilizing the NORTH with her bitchy behavior. And this is the last thing the NORTH needs in a time when Night King is knocking on its door, Little Finger is there and Cersei is out to get them.
Agreed on it being problematic. Disagreed on her not knowing what she's talking about. She knows the south better than every lord there except for Littlefinger. She's the only window Jon has into the political workings of the south, and she knows what she's talking about.