Valkorion is probably the most influential figure. He affected thousands of years of history in dramatic ways. While Sidious arguably changed things more provocatively, he did so inside of a mere 20-40 year time period and personally I think Vitiate's influence over The Sith and Zakuul as well as his hand in the 50 year long conflict seen in Swtor, his igniting of the Mandalorian and Jedi Civil Wars that led to the near extinction of the Mando's and Jedi and the rise of the Triumvirate and near collapse of the Republic is more profound. Sidious also had a thousand years of RoT prep to help him.
Luke is perhaps a close second, just in terms of all the shit he does in the EU. Though the Hero of Tython/Outlander is also up there, having saved the Republic and Jedi Order numerous times, saved whole planets from destruction, defeated Vitiate, was instrumental in defeating Sel Makor, stopped Revan and is going to stop Zakuul and Arcann and possibly become the Galactic Emperor or something.
They are empires whose influence extended across the galaxy. WTFever on whatever definition you're referring to. The whole point of the RoT was to prep to take over the galaxy in secret. Sidious benefited from a thousand years of Sith collecting knowledge, destabilizing the Republic and maintaining secrecy.
Naw, the Republic and Jedi that Sidious supposedly destroyed still existed and came back and destroyed him and reestablished themselves. The Triumvirate got the Jedi closer to death than Sidious ever did. Valkorion made an empire from scratch, all Sidious did was pervert an existing one. And then Valkorion created another empire so strong it whooped the Republic and Sith at once.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They are empires whose influence extended across the galaxy. WTFever on whatever definition you're referring to. The whole point of the RoT was to prep to take over the galaxy in secret. Sidious benefited from a thousand years of Sith collecting knowledge, destabilizing the Republic and maintaining secrecy.Naw, the Republic and Jedi that Sidious supposedly destroyed still existed and came back and destroyed him and reestablished themselves. The Triumvirate got the Jedi closer to death than Sidious ever did. Valkorion made an empire from scratch, all Sidious did was pervert an existing one. And then Valkorion created another empire so strong it whooped the Republic and Sith at once.
Yeah, the Rebel Alliance also had galactic influence. They're not a galactic empire lol.
Your refrain that Sidious benefitted from the Rule of Two doesn't actually constitute proof, since we know they didn't get any traction until he came on the scene lol. So how about you prove it?
The fact that Sidious died means squat; we know from Force and Destiny that the Jedi and Republic end up ruling the galaxy again post-Valkoriate. The Triumvirate mopped up an order already weakened from the Jedi Civil War. Sheev annihilated the Republic and Jedi... Whereas Valkoriate was unable to. 😬
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, the Rebel Alliance also had galactic influence. They're not a galactic empire lol.
That means the Empire and the Republic are a part of the Eternal Empire.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, it's the other one that doesn't count as a "galactic empire". 😬
It's an empire and it's galactic. /story
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, the Rebel Alliance also had galactic influence. They're not a galactic empire lol.Your refrain that Sidious benefitted from the Rule of Two doesn't actually constitute proof, since we know they didn't get any traction until he came on the scene lol. So how about you prove it?
The fact that Sidious died means squat; we know from Force and Destiny that the Jedi and Republic end up ruling the galaxy again post-Valkoriate. The Triumvirate mopped up an order already weakened from the Jedi Civil War. Sheev annihilated the Republic and Jedi... Whereas Valkoriate was unable to. 😬
They're not an empire at all. The Sith Empire was and is galactic in scale. The Eternal Empire was and is galactic in scale. /story
😬 I don't have to prove shit. Are you actually suggesting they didn't unearth a ton of knowledge over that time? That the Sith didn't destabilise the Republic? That Sidious didn't benefit from the Sith's carefully maintained secrecy? Don't be an ass.
You don't have to remind me that, but that fact is that Valkorion created civilisations that lasted for over a millennium, his influence was far more broad and long-lasting. Sidious' lasted 2 decades. And who started the Jedi Civil War? Oh thats right it was Vitiate. And who started the Mandalorian Wars? Oh thats right it was Vitiate. Who started the Great Galactic War? Oh thats right it was Vitiate. Who started the Zakuul Invasion. Oh thats right it was Vitiate. Who banged Senya? Oh thats right it was Vitiate. Sheev didn't annihilate jack, they came back and pushed his shit in inside of a generation. Vitiate shaped 3 galactic civilisations for over a thousand years. Get rekt Shitious.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, they weren't. The New Republic and New Jedi Order are separate entities from their older incarnations and different in substantive ways.Although the Vong arguably would've ****ed them anyway.
Both were merely revitalizations of the old groups, created directly from the surviving remnants of them.
Yeah, the Republic and Empire are definitely in an inferior position to Zakuul, which is one of the definitions of vassal.
But the codex says that the Sith and Republic are separate entities who are under ceasefire with Zakuul. They're not part of the empire.
Which also explains why the Republic still actively and publicly resists.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That is not what vassal means in the slightest. Being a subordinate is being a subordinate. Being a vassal and being forced to adhere to a different government makes you a part of that new government. Deal with it.
Kinda like being a Sith means you're a Sith, right? You're getting too emotional about this, 'Strap.