Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
IRRC Hawkeye stabbed one Ultron drone with a knife and another one with his arrow...
BW blocked one's punch by grabbing its wrist and stopped another one cold by grabbing its throat before tasering it
The drones that were redirecting the civilans in the opening got damaged by a thrown glass bottle. They have good strength feats but their durability mostly sucked
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
[QUOTE=15712881]Originally posted by FrothByte
[B]Cap wins. Khan makes it a good fight, but ultimately doesn't have the damage output (that I recall) to put down Cap. Neither does Bane.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Aracnid1Crash from space>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Plane crash.
As pertains the phaser bolt, Khan is not a normal man; when in combat mode, Khan withstood several phaser blasts and was still on his feet (and this was after the space crash and fighting Spock)...
We absolutely agree to disagree about Cap vs 5 Khans...now that is wankage.
Can you explain how Kirk was able to withstand the same Orbital crash? Why do you keep going on and on about a crash from space... as if he wasn't inside a ship when it happened. You do realize hitting something with no protection going 80 mph would be much worse than striking something in a car going 80. You keep acting like Khan wasn't in a futuristic ship when he crashed... he was.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Can you explain how Kirk was able to withstand the same Orbital crash? Why do you keep going on and on about a crash from space... as if he wasn't inside a ship when it happened. You do realize hitting something with no protection going 80 mph would be much worse than striking something in a car going 80. You keep acting like Khan wasn't in a futuristic ship when he crashed... he was.
Ok, you have a few things confused...
Kirk did NOT withstand the same orbital impact as Khan did; Kirk had an impact with a small spec of space debris (which, despite its very small size, was sufficient to crack his visor due to the tremendous velocity involved); and Kirks impact was glancing...Khans was dead on.
On the other hand Khan impacted with an object that was roughly his size; the difference in mass between the spec that Kirk hit and the object Khan hit is tremendous and makes an enormous difference in the force involved in each respective collision...
2nd, Kirk was not in that ship when it crashed from space; this was a seperate event from the one where Kirk and Khan were flying through space...
And so what Khan was in a futuristic ship when it crashed; the laws of physics remain the same and since he was in the ship when it crashed, a tremendous quantity of kinetic energy absolutely would have been transferred to his body at impact...
True, Khan doesnt get the same impact as the ship, but he gets alot of it nonetheless...
So yeah, Khan walking away from the ship crash was an amazing feat...
Been pointed out before, the Enterprise has crashed landed before, full of normal humans, some of them children and people were fine, if not banged up a bit.
Though one would expect Khan to be fine or at least alright after crashing a ship, he's an Augment, they're far more resilient than normal humans.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ok, you have a few things confused...Kirk did NOT withstand the same orbital impact as Khan did; Kirk had an impact with a small spec of space debris (which, despite its very small size, was sufficient to crack his visor due to the tremendous velocity involved); and Kirks impact was glancing...Khans was dead on.
On the other hand Khan impacted with an object that was roughly his size; the difference in mass between the spec that Kirk hit and the object Khan hit is tremendous and makes an enormous difference in the force involved in each respective collision...
2nd, Kirk was not in that ship when it crashed from space; this was a seperate event from the one where Kirk and Khan were flying through space...
And so what Khan was in a futuristic ship when it crashed; the laws of physics remain the same and since he was in the ship when it crashed, a tremendous quantity of kinetic energy absolutely would have been transferred to his body at impact...
True, Khan doesnt get the same impact as the ship, but he gets alot of it nonetheless...
So yeah, Khan walking away from the ship crash was an amazing feat...
See that's the thing... it wasn't impressive at all that he crashed and ran away. As its been pointed out like 6 times now. Regular humans have survived crashed landing from space and been JUST FINE. You know, that whole futuristic ship thing again. To even suggest that makes no difference is funny man. It makes ALL the difference. Just like how cars now are safer than they were 50 years ago. Now imagine technology hundreds of years from now... to say that wouldn't help impacts is being blatantly obtuse. It wasn't the least bit impressive he survived that crash landing really.
Starships have inertia dampers, it's why people on board aren't insta-turned into jelly when a ship jumps to warp and out of warp, or just extremely high non-warp speed and decelerations. This was talked about in most if not all shows, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT
It's within reason to assume these dampeners also assist when crashing, if they're functioning
Originally posted by Robtard
Starships have inertia dampers, it's why people on board aren't insta-turned into jelly when a ship jumps to warp and out of warp, or just extremely high non-warp speed and decelerations. This was talked about in most if not all shows, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENTIt's within reason to assume these dampeners also assist when crashing, if they're functioning
Well the ship Khan was on was so badly damaged that Khan had to remain at the controls to insure that the ship hit its target...Star Fleet headquarters:
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
See that's the thing... it wasn't impressive at all that he crashed and ran away. As its been pointed out like 6 times now. Regular humans have survived crashed landing from space and been JUST FINE. You know, that whole futuristic ship thing again. To even suggest that makes no difference is funny man. It makes ALL the difference. Just like how cars now are safer than they were 50 years ago. Now imagine technology hundreds of years from now... to say that wouldn't help impacts is being blatantly obtuse. It wasn't the least bit impressive he survived that crash landing really.
You downplay it, but Zulu didnt think there was anyway anyone could have survived...
Spock felt he could, though, due to Khan being superhuman...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay, doesn't change the fact that normal humans have walked away just fine from crashes from space. You claim it's an UBER feat for Khan, when in reality, for that universe, it means very little.
It means alot...
Show me a normal human surviving a crash the way Khan did under the same conditions...
Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure what the argument is then? Khan's superhuman; don't think anyone would argue he isn't, it's no surprise he survived a starship crash, considering normal humans have done so too.
People are downplaying the feat...
The suggestion is that its not a great feat as normal humans have survived ship crashes...
My point is that Khans was exceptional; the ship was malfunctioning and as far as we could see, Khan didnt strap himself into a seat or take any safety precautions during the crash...
He tanked it with raw durability...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's not downplaying it at all, they are simply facts. You don't like the fact that humans have survived because it doesn't makes Khan's feat as impressive. Well... them's the facts
Yeah and its a fact that Khans was different...
Tanking a ship crashing from space with nothing but your own personal toughness?
Incredible feat...