The most dangerous adversaries pitted against each other
Films only. Which of these adversaries alone brings more to the table in terms of a menacing villain. Feel free to include tech, intelligence, ruthlessness, cunning, etc. to argue for who you feel is a better enemy.
Sheev Palpatine (Darth Sidious)
Vs.
Khan Noonien Singh (Into Darkness version)
Well ??
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Originally posted by quanchi112
When did he bust a universe in the films ? GO(game on).
mmm The Anchorites are universe busters, and it seems like full potential Anakin > the Son and the Daughter combined. Lucas says full potential Anakin = 200% Sidious, so logically Sidious can bust half a universe. 🙂
Originally posted by The EllimistDespite these wild theories we have never seen anything close to this level of power. Hell, Palpatine wasn't able to even seriously injure Luke despite over twenty seconds of exposure of his fl. I don't think you're being serious here but let's break this down. What each guy brings to the table in terms of weaponry, cunning, etc. and not just completely focus on speculative raw power for a moment.
mmm The Anchorites are universe busters, and it seems like full potential Anakin > the Son and the Daughter combined. Lucas says full potential Anakin = 200% Sidious, so logically Sidious can bust half a universe. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Despite these wild theories we have never seen anything close to this level of power.
It isn't a fan theory, it's according to the Father and IIRC an out of universe source.
Hell, Palpatine wasn't able to even seriously injure Luke despite over twenty seconds of exposure of his fl.
He was obviously torturing him.
I don't think you're being serious here but let's break this down. What each guy brings to the table in terms of weaponry, cunning, etc. and not just completely focus on speculative raw power for a moment.
If you want me to be serious, this obviously isn't even a fight. Khan has no defense against telekinesis + lightsaber to the head, or lightning for that matter. If Sidious is feeling like an idiot and wants to fight him in melee for some reason, he still wins because, you know, he has a lightsaber. Khan can try shooting him, but Sidious can evidently deflect anything he throws at him, and/or just TK his phaser out of his hand.
It's a mismatch, clearly.
Originally posted by The EllimistFilms only here but it's silly regardless based off his consistent portrayals.
It isn't a fan theory, it's according to the Father and IIRC an out of universe source.He was obviously torturing him.
If you want me to be serious, this obviously isn't even a fight. Khan has no defense against telekinesis + lightsaber to the head, or lightning for that matter. If Sidious is feeling like an idiot and wants to fight him in melee for some reason, he still wins because, you know, he has a lightsaber. Khan can try shooting him, but Sidious can evidently deflect anything he throws at him, and/or just TK his phaser out of his hand.
It's a mismatch, clearly.
I didn't count the torture time I just counted the time after he announced he would now kill him.
Jango Fett didn't have a defense against tk either but he did alright against Kenobi and even the guy who bested old Sheev. This whole notion of tk crushes all really is out of character. Has Sheev used force choke before ? Yes, but against unsuspecting opponents without even being aware of his abilities at the time.
All of these fights come down to who hits the other one. It's about timing, ruthlessness, skill, behavior, etc.
Sheev in combat is an outright moron at times. He doesn't go for the jugular like Khan has. Sheev will cackle, taunt, play around, and give his opponent chances to capitalize. Khan is the guy who wields a gun that easily takes out a Klingon ship while Sheev is a guy who needs a decent amount of time to kill with his own fl or a well placed light saber strike.
OK, Sheev obviously can't bust a universe. Continuing:
Originally posted by quanchi112
Jango Fett didn't have a defense against tk either but he did alright against Kenobi and even the guy who bested old Sheev.
Sheev is infinitely more powerful than AotC Obi Wan, lol. Perhaps more importantly, he has none of the aversion to using the Force offensively.
This whole notion of tk crushes all really is out of character. Has Sheev used force choke before ? Yes, but against unsuspecting opponents without even being aware of his abilities at the time.
Funny, he chokes those two guards on the way to fighting Maul, and when Maul finally begins to pose a threat to him, resorts to ragdolling him. Against Yoda he leads with Force lightning, and closes with it in desperation.
Sheev in combat is an outright moron at times. He doesn't go for the jugular like Khan has. Sheev will cackle, taunt, play around, and give his opponent chances to capitalize. Khan is the guy who wields a gun that easily takes out a Klingon ship while Sheev is a guy who needs a decent amount of time to kill with his own fl or a well placed light saber strike.
OK, so let's run through the gauntlet of possible ways Sheev can kill Khan, all of which he has used before in combat, often LEADING with:
[LIST]
[*]He can just snap his neck with a gesture. Khan can't do jack shit.
[*]He can immobilize him and then stab him. Khan can't do jack shit.
[*]He can electrocute him with Force lightning. Khan can't do jack shit.
[*]He can engage him in melee and then cut him in half with his lightsaber. lol Khan can't do jack shit, what's he going to do to the lightsaber, punch it? 😆
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What are Khan's options, exactly? If he tries to shoot Sidious, Sheev can just deflect his shots back at him or just TK his gun out of his hands. What, is he going to try to go mano a mano with a guy with a lightsaber?
Khan is a somewhat superhuman guy who can take lots of punches and shoot really straight. Sidious is a precog, superhuman beast who can move starships with his mind and kill you with his mind. They're in completely different leagues.
Originally posted by The EllimistSheev is more powerful but let's not get carried away here. Kenobi used the force offensively against Grievous so he won't hesitate to apply that when appropriate. Kenobi just doesn't have the fl power.
OK, Sheev obviously can't bust a universe. Continuing:Sheev is infinitely more powerful than AotC Obi Wan, lol. Perhaps more importantly, he has none of the aversion to using the Force offensively.
Funny, he chokes those two guards on the way to fighting Maul, and when Maul finally begins to pose a threat to him, resorts to ragdolling him. Against Yoda he leads with Force lightning, and closes with it in desperation.
OK, so let's run through the gauntlet of possible ways Sheev can kill Khan, [b]all of which he has used before in combat, often LEADING with
:
[LIST]
[*]He can just snap his neck with a gesture. Khan can't do jack shit.
[*]He can immobilize him and then stab him. Khan can't do jack shit.
[*]He can electrocute him with Force lightning. Khan can't do jack shit.
[*]He can engage him in melee and then cut him in half with his lightsaber. lol Khan can't do jack shit, what's he going to do to the lightsaber, punch it? 😆
[/LIST]What are Khan's options, exactly? If he tries to shoot Sidious, Sheev can just deflect his shots back at him or just TK his gun out of his hands. What, is he going to try to go mano a mano with a guy with a lightsaber?
Khan is a somewhat superhuman guy who can take lots of punches and shoot really straight. Sidious is a precog, superhuman beast who can move starships with his mind and kill you with his mind. They're in completely different leagues. [/B]
Yes, the guards had time to shoot him but screamed, "Halt," instead. They had no idea who that was and what he was capable of.
Maul still managed to kick him and the application of his force powers shows he won't use them in the most effective way. He just knocked him around he didn't go for the kill. Sheev cackled throughout that fight and didn't deem him a threat he needed to put down ASAP.
1.) Whose neck has Sheev snapped ?
2.) When has he done so ? This is assuming he attacks first when based off the majority of the evidence he doesn't frequently do so.
3.) Khan has two guns. They put holes in people as opposed to fl which Luke walked away from with no injuries. Khan has resisted 8 stun shots before.
4.) Khan doesn't typically go around trying to engage in melee unless he has to and he's been shown very capable of using knives, close quarters combat, etc. to quickly dispose or incapacitate his opponents.
Based off what can Sheev deflect the Phaser cannon ? It emits a wider beam and is a lot more powerful than the blaster fire the lightsabers are shown to deflect.
Sheev is a guy who manipulates behind the scenes and used galactic armies to achieve his goals. Khan is one surhuman badass resisting a galactic power along with the Enterprise crew without any assistance outside of manipulation.