1 in 5 girls are raped in college is a MYTH.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I have to disagree about your first statement. While no one is "teaching" men how to rape, there are longstanding social codes hardwired into our culture that encourage sexually aggressive behavior and the whole "never take no for an answer" mindset.

And I have to disagree with this assertion for lack of evidence. Please define these codes, establish that they are supported in Western culture, and demonstrate the causal relationship between these codes and sexual violence. This seems like the sort of thing people accept and state as true, but that does not necessarily make it so.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I've known guys who don't consider having sex with a passed out girl rape as long as you weren't the one who made her pass out (as if opportunism is somehow better than active predation). There are plenty of scumbags on college campuses and society at large, and they absolutely must be told that their behavior isn't acceptable.

And I do not know anyone like this, which makes me credulous if such a person exists. That is why anecdotes are not evidence.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
As for your second statement, the wording is awful. The way you've worded that statement could absolve rapists as long as they don't regret raping the victim.

That regret has nothing to do with whether an experience qualifies as rape is the entire point: a rapist may not regret rape and someone who regrets a sexual experience may not have been raped.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
As for the victim blaming issue, I'll agree that since there are lots of scummy people, it's probably a good idea to exercise caution, but at the same time we shouldn't ever accept it as a matter of course that because a woman dresses a certain way then it's only natural she might get raped. That's capitulating to the rapists and their skewed values.

We should accept as a matter of course that the world is not a safe place, that there is an inherent risk to spaces that we do not control, and that we should be vigilant about our personal safety. No one should expect to be safe outside of their home, and no one has the right to feel safe anywhere.

I have known one or two guys like he described, but again..that's in my entire life and they were douches, they don't represent the norm and that is the problem when people pretend they do. That is the true destruction and harm that is caused...when you make people think something is far worse then it is.

I mean from the way some people talk it's as if they think 1 in 5 fraternity's have the motto of "rape above all else" or something.

Sort of like someone will say "oh it's wrong to hook up with a drunk chick" but then if you ask "what if both people are drunk" they will still say..well it's still up to the GUY to realize they are drunk and shouldn't do it, the girl is innocent. Again, this is some of the trash feminists spout.

"Study" has been debunked over and over again.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

No one should expect to be safe outside of their home, and no one has the right to feel safe anywhere.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
"Study" has been debunked over and over again.

Which study are you referring to? Since the whole "it's a myth" thing hasn't been debunked. So I am assuming that the rape culture being debunked is what you meant. In which case yes I agree with you.

Originally posted by Raisen
notice how the libs don't attack the content but instead attack the messenger? rape is way lied about. there was a county in texas that could either not prove rape took place or outright proved that allegations were a lie....50% of the time. I witnessed many friends in the military and outside world get lied on. it's pretty common.

Anecdotes?

Anecdotes.

So my aunt did the rape kit stuff for 2 years as a nurse in a hospital. She said the vast majority of women who wanted those were not raped with an absurd amount even outright telling her that they were trying to get a man in trouble or get out of trouble (conservative Christian parents my bring down the wrath on them for having sex so they lie and say it was rape). She thinks false rape allegations happen so often that actual rape cases may be very hard to find in the sea of lies. Which is very disturbing. The FBI has done their own investigating and of the cases that finally make it to court, something like 10% are lies/false allegations/not prosecute-able. But that's just the cases that make it that for for the DoJ to run stats against.

So what about police reports? How many men's lives have been damaged or ruined because of the rampant false allegations flying around? What about all the women who were ACTUALLY raped who didn't get a voice because their case was drowned in a sea of false allegations (there is a rape kit backlog in many districts). That's the saddest part...how many woman didn't get to see their rapist captured removed from harming others.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
We do not need to teach men not to rape, because no one is teaching them to rape.

What we need to teach to everyone, regardless of gender, is that every sexual experience you regret is not rape, and strategies for minimizing your risk of sexual assault are not victim blaming.

Very correct statements. But I would say, "Almost no young men are being taught that rape is okay."

And trying to teach young women (and men) how to minimize their risks of sexual assault is NOT victim blaming. That's one piece of shit concept that needs to do a very quick death.

I mean let us be honest men are in a way usually taught the exact opposite right? We are taught it's not right to hit a girl no matter what. That is how it was when I was a kid. We were in essence taught that they could get away with more and be able to do things without the situation escalating to violence where..if it was another guy doing it..it would most definitely lead to violence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
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I thought the issue of college rape was solved when they came up with that law where guys have to get written permission for the woman before they could sex em up?

I got the feeling that guy's who are against this myth never genuinely get their peckers orally pulled willingly, ever.

Originally posted by meep-meep
I got the feeling that guy's who are against this myth never genuinely get their peckers orally pulled willingly, ever.

Originally posted by -Pr-
"Study" has been debunked over and over again.

Yeah, but it exists, which is sadly enough for some.

Originally posted by meep-meep
I got the feeling that guy's who are against this myth never genuinely get their peckers orally pulled willingly, ever.

So wait, you feel guys who are against a myth that isn't actually true..don't get sex? Wow okay.

Originally posted by The Lost
Yeah, but it exists, which is sadly enough for some.

I know right? It's utterly toxic when people try to present this myth as fact, it's really good some are willing to step up and point out it's not actually a thing.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The thing is, they've also asked men if they've ever assaulted anyone, and have gotten numbers that more or less match up with the 1 in 5 stat.

^ specifically, it's more like 5% of men doing 90+% of the crimes, but if you multiply by the number of assaults they confess to doing (so long as you don't use the word "rape"😉, you get a reasonably congruent figure for the number of victims.

That's super lovely, but it doesn't mean there is a rape culture. It doesn't mean most people just immediately see a rape victim and call her a liar and all that.

Which is the narrative people try to put across with this. So we can agree that narrative is utter bullshit, right? Saying there are a small amount of stupid men who don't view their rapish things as rape..doesn't actually mean there is a rape culture. We are in agreement there, correct?

Originally posted by Surtur
That's super lovely, but it doesn't mean there is a rape culture. It doesn't mean most people just immediately see a rape victim and call her a liar and all that.

Which is the narrative people try to put across with this. So we can agree that narrative is utter bullshit, right? Saying there are a small amount of stupid men who don't view their rapish things as rape..doesn't actually mean there is a rape culture. We are in agreement there, correct?

I do agree the majority of them know exactly what they are doing when it comes to actual rape. They know they are raping her, they don't try to dress it up any other way.

But it's not like you can't walk 5 feet on a college campus without running into a guy like that.

Originally posted by Surtur

I know right? It's utterly toxic when people try to present this myth as fact, it's really good some are willing to step up and point out it's not actually a thing.

It is always better to ask someone what something meant than presenting yourself with a list of assumptions and leaping at one of them.

It prevents misunderstandings, like this one!

Originally posted by The Lost
It is always better to ask someone what something meant than presenting yourself with a list of assumptions and leaping at one of them.

It prevents misunderstandings, like this one!

Surely you didn't mean it's sad people don't buy into the whole "most women are immediately not going to be believed about rape" thing, you seemed more intelligent then that. Especially since it being a myth was never debunked, so it makes no actual sense for you to quote someone in a way where you seem to be thinking they mean it was debunked and you agree.

So I think the assumption of intelligence is a flattering one, right? Though I do apologize for that if I shouldn't of done so.

Just because it's funny:

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I love Lauren Southern. I just love watching crazy people just..do what they do best, be crazy.