If we're going with what writers envisioned but it never came true, Revan was slated to be contending with and defeating Sith who could shape galaxies in KotOR 3.
I think it's worth noting that it took 31 years for Darth Vader to get really impressive feats, and it's all from the same source. Most other works don't portray him that way.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If we're going with what writers envisioned but it never came true, Revan was slated to be contending with and defeating Sith who could shape [b]galaxies in KotOR 3.
Yeah, well, KotOR 3 never happened. Not that "shaping galaxies" is a very well defined feat.
I think it's worth noting that it took 31 years for Darth Vader to get really impressive feats, and it's all from the same source. Most other works don't portray him that way.
He has impressive feats (like collapsing a cathedral and killing seven Jedi), but his most impressive do come from TFU, yes. That doesn't somehow invalidate them; his portrayal in other mediums doesn't contradict TFU's storyline, to which such levels of power are necessary to move forward (such as Galen pulling down the ISD or landing the cruiser - they're explicit events that happen in the continuity). Most of the time, he doesn't really find himself facing Galen-tier foes.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, well, KotOR 3 never happened.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not that "shaping galaxies" is a very well defined feat.
He has impressive feats (like collapsing a cathedral and killing seven Jedi)
his portrayal in other mediums doesn't contradict TFU's storyline, to which such levels of power are necessary to move forward (such as Galen pulling down the ISD or landing the cruiser - they're explicit events that happen in the continuity).
Most of the time, he doesn't really find himself facing Galen-tier foes.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
lol, so nothing then.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's not like Revan would kill Vader anyway. Revan forgot how to.
And then, couldn't the same be said about Soa, who is clearly well beyond Darth Vader and friends?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Force Unleashed 3 never happened either. I'm glad to see you got the point.
Too bad the point of the TFUIII reference was to cite the creator's opinion on the events of the second game, mainly that Vader let him win. That's a distinct line of argument from appealing to proposed story-lines that irreconcilably contradict what actually happens.
Not that it matters - Vader's TFUI powerscaling is enough.
It reveals a type of power that's indisputably beyond Darth Vader at the bare minimum.
You'd have to go into more detail than "shape the galaxy" - Darth Vader certainly shapes the galaxy through his own actions as the Chosen One. Heck, Mon Mothma shapes the galaxy too.
But anyway, the game never happened, so this line of reasoning is irrelevant.
Neither of which are that impressive. For all of Darth Vader's showings in the Force against inanimate matter and structures, he consistently fails to demonstrate any sort of absolute superiority over his enemies through the Force, unlike Revan. Showings against Force-users are always to be taken with greater value than that against stone and metal. And killing seven Jedi with great difficulty doesn't compare to Revan killing "hundreds" of Sith on Korriban and even more on the Star Forge.
You're actually digging Revan into a hole here. The interesting thing about feats against inanimate objects is that they're relatively stable "enemies", as opposed to Force-sensitive opponents that never fight one another and so cannot be clearly scaled. The fact that Vader can pull off more impressive feats than Revan, yet still cannot seem to ragdoll, say, Obi Wan, is just an indication that Obi Wan is a lot stronger than you think he is, not that AT-ATs and cruisers are not.
BTW, Revan may initially ragdoll the strike team, but he ultimately loses.
It rather does. Darth Vader's being shown as someone who no Jedi can hope to stand against, while all other works show weak Jedi consistently challenging and scoring blows against him. It gives me the impression that, perhaps, the fact the story developers specifically wanted to make an over-the-top game with overpowered characters is a large reason for the inconsistency.
It's also the more recent source material, more relevant than most to the timeline (founding of the rebellion), and the one with the most realistic graphics. And it's pretty circular to declare these Jedi that score blows against him to be "weak" when we otherwise don't know how powerful they are.
Also, Vader's power isn't some sort of stable variable - he's stronger in TFU than he would be in earlier years, and he's stronger in RotJ than he is in TFU.
Also, it's pretty silly to try to discount TFU feats for having the stench of wank, and then to base your support of Revan on TOR ones. 😬
It's also worth mentioning that Darth Vader failed to display a Force edge against Galen Marek in their two confrontations regardless.
They were evidently comparable enough for the distinction to be meaningless for the purposes of this debate. Galen Marek's Force feats eclipse anything anyone in TOR barring Vitiate has done.
That's because he's getting humiliated by far lesser foes.
Like taking on a guy who can disintegrate cruisers and one-shot hundreds of stormtroopers at the same time?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you want to believe that the eight protagonists did not fight Revan on the Temple of Sacrifice, what evidence do you then have that the team that instead fought him suffered no casualties?And then, couldn't the same be said about Soa, who is clearly well beyond Darth Vader and friends?